Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Veggie50]

so it seems Russia has been escalating their drone and missile strikes lately, on an unprecedented level. Are they ever gonna run out?

Unprecedented level? Source plz

[YUPPIE]

Unprecedented level? Source plz

Like we've never seen them this desperate. They're pulling out all the stops instantaneously than periodically.

[Cynical Asshole]

so it seems Russia has been escalating their drone and missile strikes lately, on an unprecedented level. Are they ever gonna run out?

And all their shit gets blown out of the sky by Patriot systems. Is the strategy to make Patriot run out of ammo? Pretty dumb strategy, but then Russia has done nothing but dumb strategies since the war started, so it sounds about right.

[YUPPIE]

Context:

Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has reported that the Russian occupiers launched 11 Iskander-M and Iskander-K missiles on Kyiv Oblast and the city of Kyiv on the morning of 29 May. All the missiles were shot down by the air defence units.

For the second time in 24 hours, the enemy has launched a missile attack on the territory of Ukraine.

At about 11:30, they attacked Kyiv Oblast with ballistic and cruise ground-based missiles from the Iskander operative-tactical rocket system.

11 missiles were launched in total: Iskander-M and Iskander-K, from the Northern front.

All targets were destroyed by the forces and assets of the air defence of Ukraine.

n the morning of 29 May, the Russian army launched its 16th attack on Kyiv in May, this time during the day. Previously, Russia attacked the Ukrainian capital on two nights in a row, before and after Kyiv Day (28 May – ed.).

On Monday, 29 May, missile fragments fell in several districts of Kyiv.

Yurii Ihnat, the spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine, reported that this time, the Russians could attack the Ukrainian capital with Iskander missiles, as well as S-300 or S-400 missiles, which also fly on a ballistic trajectory.

[Veggie50]

Context:

Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has reported that the Russian occupiers launched 11 Iskander-M and Iskander-K missiles on Kyiv Oblast and the city of Kyiv on the morning of 29 May. All the missiles were shot down by the air defence units.

For the second time in 24 hours, the enemy has launched a missile attack on the territory of Ukraine.

At about 11:30, they attacked Kyiv Oblast with ballistic and cruise ground-based missiles from the Iskander operative-tactical rocket system.

11 missiles were launched in total: Iskander-M and Iskander-K, from the Northern front.

All targets were destroyed by the forces and assets of the air defence of Ukraine.

n the morning of 29 May, the Russian army launched its 16th attack on Kyiv in May, this time during the day. Previously, Russia attacked the Ukrainian capital on two nights in a row, before and after Kyiv Day (28 May – ed.).

On Monday, 29 May, missile fragments fell in several districts of Kyiv.

Yurii Ihnat, the spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine, reported that this time, the Russians could attack the Ukrainian capital with Iskander missiles, as well as S-300 or S-400 missiles, which also fly on a ballistic trajectory.

I ask again, how is this unprecidented? Russia has been launching missiles in waves for forever

[Corvus]

The drones are being dealt with by AA mostly and it's not just the patriot dealing with the missiles- it's IRIS and NASAMS as well. The west will be able to build missiles faster for those than russia will. Not to mention those missiles russia is using cost millions each.

[YUPPIE]

The drones are being dealt with by AA mostly and it's not just the patriot dealing with the missiles- it's IRIS and NASAMS as well. The west will be able to build missiles faster for those than russia will. Not to mention those missiles russia is using cost millions each.

as the Ukrainian subreddit notes, Russia was aiming at crowds of civilians with those missiles. That should be considered a world-class war crime but nothing came of it.

[Jastall]

The drones are being dealt with by AA mostly and it's not just the patriot dealing with the missiles- it's IRIS and NASAMS as well. The west will be able to build missiles faster for those than russia will. Not to mention those missiles russia is using cost millions each.

This feels like the Nazis sending V1s and V2s at London later during the war. It was pretty ineffective and motivated by spite more than anything else. Wouldn't be surprised if the same is true here to an extent. If Russia thought they could hit military targets with those missiles, they would. Killing a handful of civilians is a waste and unlike say the US, Russia can't economically afford to just throw away hardware I think.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

as the Ukrainian subreddit notes, Russia was aiming at crowds of civilians with those missiles. That should be considered a world-class war crime but nothing came of it.

Sure. It's a war crime. Add it to the pile of War Crimes committed by Russia since the beginining of this "Special Operation"

What do you expect anyone to do?

[YUPPIE]

Killing a handful of civilians is a waste

Russia is very much intentionally targeting civilians, as well as coordinating the mass rape, torture, and genocide elsewhere. You may think why, what, purpose?

The purpose is terror tactics, to demoralize the enemy by illustrating that if they don't surrender, they'll kill babies (which they already have though). Like how drug cartels instill fear in their turf to keep people in line, this is what is ingrained into Russian culture and socieity; a culture that thrives on oppression and violence.

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Sure. It's a war crime. Add it to the pile of War Crimes committed by Russia since the beginning of this "Special Operation"

What do you expect anyone to do?

Actually penalize Russia, of course. No more flimsy mean words or skirting around the topic because they're a nuclear power and/or have money.

But like everything Russia has done in this war, we'll just write it off as a war crime and go "that's horrible! shame on you!" but not take action.

[Kallisto]

Actually penalize Russia, of course. No more flimsy mean words or skirting around the topic because they're a nuclear power and/or have money.

So you want to die in your glorious third world war. We're back to this again.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Actually penalize Russia, of course. No more flimsy mean words or skirting around the topic because they're a nuclear power and/or have money.

But like everything Russia has done in this war, we'll just write it off as a war crime and go "that's horrible! shame on you!" but not take action.

Russia is being penalized. What you want is WWIII.

[YUPPIE]

So you want to die in your glorious third world war. We're back to this again.

No, actually. But you have to understand that the very thing you mentioned is the leverage Russia has so the world lets them do what they want within reason.

"We're capable of WW3, and no one wants that so you best back off."

And while we're not necessarily backing off, we're letting them off rather easy is the thing. Which is how Russia annexes territories illegally.

[Calfredd]

No, actually. But you have to understand that the very thing you mentioned is the leverage Russia has so the world lets them do what they want within reason.

"We're capable of WW3, and no one wants that so you best back off."

And while we're not necessarily backing off, we're letting them off rather easy is the thing.

And other crap you try to convince yourself of.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

And while we're not necessarily backing off, we're letting them off rather easy is the thing. Which is how Russia annexes territories illegally.

So, what's your solution, oh great and wise YUPPIE?

[Kallisto]

Also what should be added is that the west isn't helping Ukraine for moral reasons. International diplomacy doesn't give a fuck about morality. Helping Ukraine being the moral choice just makes it a much much much easier sell.

Russian actions by and large unfortunately are not unique. They're the norm for nations outside of Europe, North America and a handful of other Western nations in East Asia and Oceanic regions. Even then it's not really about morals, but not wanting the other side to do it to us and the fact precision weapons get the victory in conflict quicker and brings fewer losses to your side.

The west helping Ukraine is self serving. It deters China from causing problems and it knocks down an international rival in Russia that was seen as a near-peer before their attack on Ukraine.

[YUPPIE]

So, what's your solution, oh great and wise YUPPIE?

we basically need to isolate Russia economically like North Korea for a non-military solution. Cut off everything, and don't entertain their diplomats or foreign dignitaries, send them all back.

As it is now, they still get by well enough to not really be inconvenienced by sanctions.

[Calfredd]

As it is now, they still get by well enough to not really be inconvenienced by sanctions.

Say that to their military and their year long, 3-day operation.

[YUPPIE]

Say that to their military and their year long, 3-day operation.

despite all the tough sanction talk, even on the military front well into June, Russia is still launching waves of missiles and drones (supplied from Iran) and even took Bahkmut. Keep in mind months ago optimistic propaganda said Russia would soon run out of manpower and missiles.

But they still haven't

[Gabriel]

Russia is very much intentionally targeting civilians, as well as coordinating the mass rape, torture, and genocide elsewhere. You may think why, what, purpose?

The purpose is terror tactics, to demoralize the enemy by illustrating that if they don't surrender, they'll kill babies (which they already have though). Like how drug cartels instill fear in their turf to keep people in line, this is what is ingrained into Russian culture and socieity; a culture that thrives on oppression and violence.

Do you think Nazis tried to exterminate all of the Jews to terrorize the rest? No.

Russia does what it does because it tries to genocide Ukrainians. It just so happens that Russia is so very very bad at everything it does, that even attempted genocide comes across as petty terror tactics.