Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gorsameth]

It's archived in the very thread if you're inclined to look through it. Ukraine has basically admitted (and very recently too) to several assassinations in Russia on key figures, notably a car bombing on a Kremlin woman last year.

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I'm 46 this year.

The claim being questioned is not Ukraine killing Russians. Its that they defy America in doing so.

And before you answer remember that what an American official tells in front of the press and what they say behind closed doors in diplomatic and strategic meeting can be very different...

[Benggaul]

I'm 46 this year.

Age has nothing to do with it. You are a child.

[YUPPIE]

The claim being questioned is not Ukraine killing Russians. It's that they defy America in doing so.

There are instances that hint the relationship between the US and Ukraine is not exactly a friendly one. So I don't doubt if Ukraine does some belligerent shit.

The thing I don't get is why the US doesn't pull some plugs for it.

[Edge-]

There are instances that hint the relationship between the US and Ukraine is not exactly a friendly one. So I don't doubt if Ukraine does some belligerent shit.

The thing I don't get is why the US doesn't pull some plugs for it.

In which you take perfectly normal disagreements and try to spin them into something more.

Seriously, reality is way more boring than you desperately seem to want it to be.

[Kallisto]

I'm 46 this year.

Then you should know about the timeline of the cold war and how and why DC lead (NATO) forces fighting Moscow lead forces is a fucking terrible idea.

[Calfredd]

They are a child trying to be edgy because they desperately want/need attention. And they're getting it from the dozens of people who just can't help themselves.

Well they also admitted to being an alcoholic.

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I'm 46 this year.

Too much 'edgy teen' for that to be true.

[Poopymonster]

Are you non-human or something?

Well, they call themselves a Yuppie...
I say this as someone who lived through the 80s.

[LeGin v3]

Well, they call themselves a Yuppie...
I say this as someone who lived through the 80s.

You Like Huey Lewis And The News?

[Cynical Asshole]

Yes, I totally believe a bunch of drones went all the way from Ukraine to Moscow while avoiding radar detection on their way.

Imagine spending hundreds of millions of dollars on stealth bombers when you can achieve the same results with cheap drones made in Turkey.

[jonnysensible]

Yes, I totally believe a bunch of drones went all the way from Ukraine to Moscow while avoiding radar detection on their way.

Imagine spending hundreds of millions of dollars on stealth bombers when you can achieve the same results with cheap drones made in Turkey.

have you been watching the war at all? $1000 dollar fpv drones wiping out million dollar bmps

The drones flying so low and being so small is probably to avoid radar. (and most of them got intercepted anyway or fcked up by blocking countermeasures).

Stealth bombers would be used for different purposes in different situations than a drone that costs sub 10000

[Kallisto]

Yes, I totally believe a bunch of drones went all the way from Ukraine to Moscow while avoiding radar detection on their way.

Imagine spending hundreds of millions of dollars on stealth bombers when you can achieve the same results with cheap drones made in Turkey.

They don't have to be launched from Ukraine, Ukraine almost certainly has agents within Russia or even better links to Russian partisan groups that can be used for plausible deniability. This being a false flag though really doesn't suit Putin. The basic talk would be "All our defences are shit and I can't defend you." it's the complete opposite of Putin Strong and makes Russia strong so don't get involved with politics, live your life narrative that he tries to push in Russia core lands.

Not saying this isn't a false flag, it might well be. But Russian false flags tend to have dozens, even hundreds of deaths to rile up a jingoistic fervour.

[Poopymonster]

You Like Huey Lewis And The News?

I'm more of a big hair band type.

[YUPPIE]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine. The nature of Gazprom's security personnel has been liked to Wagner as another indirectly affiliated mercenary force of Vladimir Putin.

While you all know what Gazprom and its importance to Russia is, what may be understated is the brutality and depravity of its agents is well above the comprehension of the barbaric thugs of Wagner. These professional sociopaths are like the villains from Serbian Film or Hostel in real life. Gazprom is where most of the shadiest business related deaths occur, and where all those horror stories of gruesome accidental deaths/murders stem from.

Those monsters are who Russia is now sending into Ukraine, right into the forefront of Bahkmut where things are most dire (according to the article).

[postman1782]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine. The nature of Gazprom's security personnel has been liked to Wagner as another indirectly affiliated mercenary force of Vladimir Putin.

While you all know what Gazprom and its importance to Russia is, what may be understated is the brutality and depravity of its agents is well above the comprehension of the barbaric thugs of Wagner. These professional sociopaths are like the villains from Serbian Film or Hostel in real life. Gazprom is where most of the shadiest business related deaths occur, and where all those horror stories of gruesome accidental deaths/murders stem from.

Those monsters are who Russia is now sending into Ukraine, right into the forefront of Bahkmut where things are most dire (according to the article).

If they are anything like the Spetznaz, they won't last very long.

[Kallisto]

There's nothing elite about Gazprom security forces.

[Gabriel]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine. The nature of Gazprom's security personnel has been liked to Wagner as another indirectly affiliated mercenary force of Vladimir Putin.

While you all know what Gazprom and its importance to Russia is, what may be understated is the brutality and depravity of its agents is well above the comprehension of the barbaric thugs of Wagner. These professional sociopaths are like the villains from Serbian Film or Hostel in real life. Gazprom is where most of the shadiest business related deaths occur, and where all those horror stories of gruesome accidental deaths/murders stem from.

Those monsters are who Russia is now sending into Ukraine, right into the forefront of Bahkmut where things are most dire (according to the article).

So utter shit.

[Kallisto]

Also I would point out if any of these companies have actual elite troops they're not throwing them away in Ukraine. They're being kept home where they won't be killed so they can protect the businesses important assets.

When it comes to say Wagner I'd rather go up against 1000 of their troops in Ukraine than 100 of them based in say Mali where they're protecting mines owned by Prigozhin or he has financial interests in. Because the latter are almost certainly better trained and equipped due to them defending Prig's income.

[Corvus]

They are security guards, not soldiers. Different skill sets and used to take on different opponents. Security guards are not trained to go up against enemy soldiers equipped with heavy weapons, tanks, artillery, drones etc.

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Meanwhile Soylent, er, Solovyov, is unhappy that common russians seem somewhat happy that the drones over Moscow seemed to be headed for the region where the elites live.

[Iphie]

Meanwhile Soylent, er, Solovyov, is unhappy that common russians seem somewhat happy that the drones over Moscow seemed to be headed for the region where the elites live.

You know, not being funny or anything but it's usually not the best of signs when the commoners are happy when the elites get hit.

[Cynical Asshole]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine. The nature of Gazprom's security personnel has been liked to Wagner as another indirectly affiliated mercenary force of Vladimir Putin.

While you all know what Gazprom and its importance to Russia is, what may be understated is the brutality and depravity of its agents is well above the comprehension of the barbaric thugs of Wagner. These professional sociopaths are like the villains from Serbian Film or Hostel in real life. Gazprom is where most of the shadiest business related deaths occur, and where all those horror stories of gruesome accidental deaths/murders stem from.

Those monsters are who Russia is now sending into Ukraine, right into the forefront of Bahkmut where things are most dire (according to the article).

LOL. More Orcs for Ukrainians to kill. Sounds good to me.

Brutality and savagery doesn't make up for lack of training and experience.
The winner of 1000 battles is complacent and overconfident, having learned nothing from fighting weak opponents.
The loser of 1000 battles is careful and cunning, having experienced all the errors that can be made and having learned from them.

Russia has done nothing but bask in complacency and overconfidence since the war started.