Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Nymrohd]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine. The nature of Gazprom's security personnel has been liked to Wagner as another indirectly affiliated mercenary force of Vladimir Putin.

While you all know what Gazprom and its importance to Russia is, what may be understated is the brutality and depravity of its agents is well above the comprehension of the barbaric thugs of Wagner. These professional sociopaths are like the villains from Serbian Film or Hostel in real life. Gazprom is where most of the shadiest business related deaths occur, and where all those horror stories of gruesome accidental deaths/murders stem from.

Those monsters are who Russia is now sending into Ukraine, right into the forefront of Bahkmut where things are most dire (according to the article).

So violent thugs sent to beat up mostly unarmed people vs a military force with Western training, intelligence and arms?

[zealo]

LOL. More Orcs for Ukrainians to kill. Sounds good to me.

Brutality and savagery doesn't make up for lack of training and experience.
The winner of 1000 battles is complacent and overconfident, having learned nothing from fighting weak opponents.
The loser of 1000 battles is careful and cunning, having experienced all the errors that can be made and having learned from them.

Russia has done nothing but bask in complacency and overconfidence since the war started.

Russia is weak not because it basks in overconfidence, but because having a military culture and structure that encourages the taking of independent initiative throughout the ranks is something that's directly at odds with being an autocracy as a state.

Russia doesn't have that, which makes them far more inflexible in the field than their enemy.

[Mekh]

Reportedly, Russia is now deploying some of its utmost elite security from Gazprom to fight in Ukraine.

Oh no! We need to send the Pinkertons to stop them!

[YUPPIE]

They are security guards, not soldiers.

"Apart from creating private security firms to recruit soldiers since February this year, Gazprom is reportedly forcing its own security personnel, made of ex-soldiers, to fight in the war."

https://www.firstpost.com/world/gazp...-12672532.html

[Calfredd]

Don't worry, he's nowhere near 46. Just another in a long line of lies. His age, and gender, changes as he requires.

Reminds me of AryuFate. Now there's a guy who came up with the wildest takes.

[MCMLXXXII]

Reminds me of AryuFate. Now there's a guy who came up with the wildest takes.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's the same person.

[YUPPIE]

So violent thugs sent to beat up mostly unarmed people

Not beat up. Torture and kill. (Wikipedia article so it's safe)

Note that while not everything is listed as Gazprom, look at how many of the gruesome deaths and their corporations are linked to Gazprom anyway.

That is what the security force behind it is. So, again, it's another Wagner because of their loose affiliation with Putin as a "private military force" (PMC)

[P for Pancetta]

Not beat up. Torture and kill. (Wikipedia article so it's safe)

Note that while not everything is listed as Gazprom, look at how many of the gruesome deaths and their corporations are linked to Gazprom anyway.

That is what the security force behind it is. So, again, it's another Wagner because of their loose affiliation with Putin as a "private military force" (PMC)

Gazprom's militias have been there for a while now, they are just sending reinforcements. It's not going to change anything.

[YUPPIE]

Breaking News: in light of the recent mystery drone strikes, various officials have stated that Ukraine should be allowed to attack Russia to defend their borders. This statement noticeably comes from the German chancellor. On top of this, Russian Partisans that are stated to be loose affiliates of Ukraine have made another minor incursion into Moscow after a setback. The White House also said that while they do not approve of Ukraine attacking Russia directly, they will not stop them. More drone attacks were reported on oil refineries within Russia as I type this (ongoing)

FUCK. The war is now more overtly coming for Moscow.

[Elegiac]

Breaking News: in light of the recent mystery drone strikes, various officials have stated that Ukraine should be allowed to attack Russia to defend their borders. This statement noticeably comes from the German chancellor. On top of this, Russian Partisans that are stated to be loose affiliates of Ukraine have made another minor incursion into Moscow after a setback. The White House also said that while they do not approve of Ukraine attacking Russia directly, they will not stop them. More drone attacks were reported on oil refineries within Russia as I type this (ongoing)

FUCK. The war is now more overtly coming for Moscow.

Uh huh. Your point being what?

[enigma77]

Breaking News: in light of the recent mystery drone strikes, various officials have stated that Ukraine should be allowed to attack Russia to defend their borders. This statement noticeably comes from the German chancellor. On top of this, Russian Partisans that are stated to be loose affiliates of Ukraine have made another minor incursion into Moscow after a setback. The White House also said that while they do not approve of Ukraine attacking Russia directly, they will not stop them. More drone attacks were reported on oil refineries within Russia as I type this (ongoing)

FUCK. The war is now more overtly coming for Moscow.

Good, maybe the Russians realize starting silly wars ain't so great when the war comes home to them?

[Edge-]

Breaking News: in light of the recent mystery drone strikes, various officials have stated that Ukraine should be allowed to attack Russia to defend their borders. This statement noticeably comes from the German chancellor. On top of this, Russian Partisans that are stated to be loose affiliates of Ukraine have made another minor incursion into Moscow after a setback. The White House also said that while they do not approve of Ukraine attacking Russia directly, they will not stop them. More drone attacks were reported on oil refineries within Russia as I type this (ongoing)

FUCK. The war is now more overtly coming for Moscow.

So would you say Russia is in the "Find out" part of "Fuck around and find out"?

[YUPPIE]

Scary shit is going down right now, I think Moscow is inevitably to be directly attacked. The only reservations Germany and the US had were their weapons being used; anything else is "fair game."

A fighter of the Freedom of Russia Legion with the call sign Caesar said that the Russian partisans, who attacked the Kremlin's forces from the territory of Ukraine, have "thousands" of people willing to join their ranks and will continue to raid the border until their forces are large enough to storm Moscow.

"We have serious capabilities. We have mortars, armoured vehicles, stinger manpads, portable anti-tank systems and a highly effective drone reconnaissance unit."

Details: He said the Freedom of Russia Legion is the size of a battalion but plans to expand as an increasing number of Russians realise they can fight Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and prevail.

A battalion typically consists of 500-1,000 soldiers.

"We will keep performing these harassment raids to the point we have our own piece of Russian territory, so that real Russian sons and daughters, real patriots, will be able to join us. Once that happens we will quickly grow our force and numbers and it will end with the Kremlin campaign."

Caesar joked that the weapons for his military formation were purchased from AliExpress and eBay, as well as from Russian military stores.

He emphasized that all of the members of his Legion were Russian citizens but admitted that they had served in the Ukrainian Armed Forces: "We are not a band of criminals or a private military company like Wagner. We fight within the structure of Ukrainian forces. Our main goal and task is the defence of Ukraine and de-occupation of its territories. After that we will go to free our home".

He added that the raid on Russian territory was intended to support Ukraine's planned counter-offensive while also acting as a recruitment campaign and encouraging Russians to overthrow Putin before the war comes to them.

According to him, Russians enter Ukraine through certain neutral border states. "We have a steady flow of incoming recruits and it grows. More and more Russian people understand that this war is criminal and it should be stopped".

Alexei Baranovsky, a spokesman for the Legion's political wing, told The Times that the Legion is "a politically neutral organisation with no ideological stance. [Its] only task is to overthrow Putin’s regime."

As he stated, the legion is biding its time: "We aren’t saying we will get to Moscow tomorrow. This will happen when the Ukrainian armed forces liberate Crimea. Putin’s political system will be paralysed by defeat in Crimea. This is when we will need to strike a devastating blow against Moscow. This is what we are preparing for."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/31/7404610/

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So would you say Russia is in the "Find out" part of "Fuck around and find out"?

no, if Putin's regime is directly threatened the Kremlin will be in the cornered rattlesnake part.

[DarkTZeratul]

Scary shit is going down right now, I think Moscow is inevitably to be directly attacked. The only reservations Germany and the US had were their weapons being used; anything else is "fair game."

I'd tell you that as usual you're getting worked up over nothing because you've completely misread the situation and have a grossly exaggerated perception of reality because you have a child's understanding of geopolitics, but honestly, why even bother at this point?

[Elegiac]

no, if Putin's regime is directly threatened the Kremlin will be in the cornered rattlesnake part.

You've been saying this from day one; first it was "if Ukraine holds out too long the Kremlin will be even more dangerous", then it was "if the West gives Ukraine aid the Kremlin will be even more dangerous", and then "if the West sanctions Russia the Kremlin will be even more dangerous."

[Calfredd]

no, if Putin's regime is directly threatened the Kremlin will be in the cornered rattlesnake part.

Hate to tell you this (not really), but that's not a rattle at the end of that snake but a dried clump of "dirt".

[Logwyn]

Good, maybe the Russians realize starting silly wars ain't so great when the war comes home to them?

Let Ukraine fire into Moscow......"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war."

[YUPPIE]

The US' full response

White House: We are against strikes on Russian territory, but it's up to Ukraine to decide

At a briefing on Wednesday 31 May, John Kirby, Coordinator for Strategic Communications of the White House National Security Council, once again clarified the position of the United States on the conduct of hostilities on Russian territory.

Source: This was reported by a European Pravda correspondent

Details: According to Kirby, the United States does not tell Ukraine what targets to hit and not to hit, nor does it indicate how Ukrainian forces should conduct hostilities.

Quote: "We give them training, equipment, advice and counsel - heck, we even do tabletop exercises with them to help them plan out what they’re going to do," he stressed.

"But ultimately, President Zelenskyy and his military commanders decide what they’re going to do from a military perspective, and they decide what they’re going to do with the equipment that has been provided to them and that they now own," the White House representative said.

Kirby added, however, that the United States "has been very clear to the Ukrainians both privately and publicly" that it does not support attacks inside Russia and does not want them to be carried out using American weapons.

Separately, he said that Washington has received assurances that F-16 fighters will not be used for attacks on the Russian Federation in the future: "And we have gotten these assurances at various levels: not just from President Zelenskyy, but also from other senior military and defence leaders in Ukraine."

According to various reports, between 25 and 32 drones attacked Moscow on the night of 29-30 May, damaging at least two high-rise residential buildings, and most of the drones were reportedly shot down near the Russian capital.

Commenting on the drone strikes in Moscow, UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said that Ukraine has the legal right to defend itself and can "use force beyond its borders".

The German government says that international law permits Ukraine to strike at the aggressor’s territory in self-defence.

[Corvus]

russia lobbed $1.7 BILLION dollars of drones and missiles at Ukraine last month, 90% of which were shot down while the rest did minimal damage.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/17726

[Gabriel]

no, if Putin's regime is directly threatened the Kremlin will be in the cornered rattlesnake part.

Ohh the part where it gets shot in the face because real life isn't a fable?