Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elegiac]

I'm a little incensed by how for a long time (years time), I said India was in on being one of Russia's closest allies, but no one took it seriously. And it's only now people are discussing it.

The people discussing it are just as wrong as you.

They are not "close allies", India has just found Russia to be a useful tool in trying to establish itself as a world power through Russian military equipment and energy imports. Its chief interest is in buttressing itself against China, not backing Russia for its own sake.

[Kallisto]

India is not an ally to Russia. India just knows how it can exploit this situation and Mohdi berated Putin in public.

China is not ally. They might not even want Russia to win since they don't like border changes without permission of the nations capital. They still do not recognise Crimea as Russian. Is it self serving? Yes but every nation is. Taiwan plays a role but that's basically down to Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both sides claim to be the true China not one is china one isn't. So if PRC attacks both sides would consider it a civil war.

Africa has no unified foreign policy. It's dozens of nations many that hate each other.

Hungary isn't Russian friend. If it was Finland would not be in NATO. Orban is just being Orban.

Saudi is looking out for their interest in oil. They're not Russian friends but they have to make sure to keep oil prices high enough since they don't want the global south to buy Russian oil at their expense and know the west has to pay up.

North Korea is well North Korea. They have no allies and trying to act tough to get grain deals.

[Gabriel]

I mean, you yourself have to admit that Russia keeps one-upping itself. So what may seem, by all accounts, beyond horrific...might not be the worst due to something else the next time around.

To me Russia does the exact opposite.

[YUPPIE]

To me Russia does the exact opposite.

How? Assuming I understand you correctly, that means you think Russia in this war has already done the most unspeakably evil shit beyond comprehension at the start, and what they do now is pretty pathetic or dull.

[Ulmita]

China is not ally. They might not even want Russia to win since they don't like border changes without permission of the nations capital. They still do not recognise Crimea as Russian. Is it self serving? Yes but every nation is. Taiwan plays a role but that's basically down to Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both sides claim to be the true China not one is china one isn't. So if PRC attacks both sides would consider it a civil war.

Russia losing this war and breaking up, is a nightmare scenario for China. Imagine multiple nuclear armed nations on your 12 with some of them with pro western / nato government. It's gg wp for them.

Xi would be completely mad if he allows such a thing to take place.

[Nymrohd]

Russia losing this war and breaking up, is a nightmare scenario for China. Imagine multiple nuclear armed nations on your 12 with some of them with pro western / nato government. It's gg wp for them.

If Russia did fall apart I doubt it would be balkanized and I doubt even further that any part of it would end up pro NATO.

[Mekh]

Russia losing this war and breaking up, is a nightmare scenario for China. Imagine multiple nuclear armed nations on your 12 with some of them with pro western / nato government. It's gg wp for them.

Xi would be completely mad if he allows such a thing to take place.

Interesting opinion. On the other hand, this was also one of yours:

How to bring down Ukraine with no soldier stepping a single meter into their soil:
-Bomb all airports (military and not) by launching barrages of cruise missiles, to pin down enemy airforce. Current capacity from just the ships gathered in black sea, amounts a bit less than 700 kalibr in a single salvo launch.
- Commence SEAD (No defending AA has managed to stop an enemy SEAD so far in the history of mankind)
- RAF goes in and takes out key infrastructure: power grid, public buildings, and highways/railways

Chaos commences, country bankrupts in a matter of weeks, government falls etc.

As you can see Russia has the capacity of folding Ukraine in pieces, without risking casualties (at least no so many as you think)

[Corvus]

Given just how expensive nuclear weapons are to maintain, it's doubtful any states of a broken up russia could afford to maintain them, except for maybe a handful.

[Ulmita]

Interesting opinion. On the other hand, this was also one of yours:

Ukraine would have folded in one week if we didn't send them weapons, intelligence and mercenaries. Even today, if we stp the help, they loose in no time. I never took in consideration such a strong resolve (proxy war) from us.

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Given just how expensive nuclear weapons are to maintain, it's doubtful any states of a broken up russia could afford to maintain them, except for maybe a handful.

That's a fallacy. Nukes are surprisingly cheap. To be precise, it's the cheapest means of deterrence that a nation can have.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...lion%20dollars.

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If Russia did fall apart I doubt it would be balkanized and I doubt even further that any part of it would end up pro NATO.

Hmm, did you ever read what happened after USSR collapse and where NATO expanded?

[Mekh]

Ukraine would have folded in one week if we didn't send them weapons, intelligence and mercenaries. Even today, if we stp the help, they loose in no time. I never took in consideration such a strong resolve (proxy war) from us.

How would weapons, intelligence and mercenaries help, if "Russia has the capacity of folding Ukraine in pieces, without risking casualties" by way of "Chaos commences, country bankrupts in a matter of weeks, government falls etc."?

[Ulmita]

How would weapons, intelligence and mercenaries help, if "Russia has the capacity of folding Ukraine in pieces, without risking casualties" by way of "Chaos commences, country bankrupts in a matter of weeks, government falls etc."?

Hmm let's see:
- No sat images / intelligence= gg
- No hundreds of billions worth of weapons and equipment = fight with bows
- No A/A systems RAF would have got air superiority from day one and would have just bombed them into oblivion.

Wait, wait, are you actually implying that Ukraine without western help (weapons, equipment, training, intelligence, mercs, etc) would've been able to hold their own?

[Gabriel]

How? Assuming I understand you correctly, that means you think Russia in this war has already done the most unspeakably evil shit beyond comprehension at the start, and what they do now is pretty pathetic or dull.

I've been told about the horrors that the Russian military inflicts on civilians since before I was able to walk. Nothing that has come out of Ukraine has surprised me in the slightest, and I'm loving the collective surprise Pikachu face that the West is currently having.

It's the same shit that Russia has been doing for centuries, but couple of decades of "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT, THAT'S MEAN AND RUSSOPHOBIC!" brainwashed 1,5 generations into believing that the Russian military of today is somehow different from how it has been since before none of us were even alive yet.

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That's a fallacy. Nukes are surprisingly cheap. To be precise, it's the cheapest means of deterrence that a nation can have.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...lion%20dollars.

You continue having the worst takes and understanding on nukes.

[zealo]

Russia losing this war and breaking up, is a nightmare scenario for China. Imagine multiple nuclear armed nations on your 12 with some of them with pro western / nato government. It's gg wp for them.

Xi would be completely mad if he allows such a thing to take place.

If Russia falls apart to such an extent, expect China to try to gobble up as much of the Russian far east as they can, rather than letting multiple smaller states with independent governments emerge in the region.

[Ulmita]

If Russia falls apart to such an extent, expect China to try to gobble up as much of the Russian far east as they can, rather than letting multiple smaller states with independent governments emerge in the region.

Maybe,,, who knows? However, it's in their interest to have a 3rd country keeping US/NATO busy.

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You continue having the worst takes and understanding on nukes.

It's really not that expensive to own, maintain and upgrade a nuclear arsenal. Old article, have linked to you in the past, but gives a very good idea of the costs.

https://www.sipri.org/commentary/top...uclear-weapons

[Gabriel]

It's really not that expensive to own, maintain and upgrade a nuclear arsenal. Old article, have linked to you in the past, but gives a very good idea of the costs.

https://www.sipri.org/commentary/top...uclear-weapons

Russia spends pennies on their nukes because they are mega poor from how much money the higher ups embezzle, and because what they spend is not enough to maintain anything, and as a result, none of their shit probably even work by now.

[zealo]

Maybe,,, who knows? However, it's in their interest to have a 3rd country keeping US/NATO busy.

It doesn’t get brought up as much when Russia is still useful to them as a counter to the west and takes priority, but Russia were very much a part of the group of European nations that forced themselves upon China during what the Chinese so lovingly calls the “century of humiliation”.

That they’ve well and truly forgiven that score deep down is highly questionable when even now territories in much of Outer Manchuria ceded are still part of Russia today.

[Kallisto]

Russia losing this war and breaking up, is a nightmare scenario for China. Imagine multiple nuclear armed nations on your 12 with some of them with pro western / nato government. It's gg wp for them.

Xi would be completely mad if he allows such a thing to take place.

Or Xi would be the man who had Hǎishēnwǎi returned.

[postman1782]

Ukraine would have folded in one week if we didn't send them weapons, intelligence and mercenaries. Even today, if we stp the help, they loose in no time. I never took in consideration such a strong resolve (proxy war) from us.

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That's a fallacy. Nukes are surprisingly cheap. To be precise, it's the cheapest means of deterrence that a nation can have.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...lion%20dollars.

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Hmm, did you ever read what happened after USSR collapse and where NATO expanded?

Why would you speak like this? Wasn't it determined like a couple years ago that you were Russian?

[Mekh]

Hmm let's see:
- No sat images / intelligence= gg
- No hundreds of billions worth of weapons and equipment = fight with bows
- No A/A systems RAF would have got air superiority from day one and would have just bombed them into oblivion.

Wait, wait, are you actually implying that Ukraine without western help (weapons, equipment, training, intelligence, mercs, etc) would've been able to hold their own?

Your implication was Russia could break Ukraine's neck within days and without losing a single man. Meanwhile in the real world it took still ridiculously long for the west to actually send meaningful supplies to Ukraine, mostly because they believed the same nonsense as you did in that post from last year.

[Gorsameth]

Your implication was Russia could break Ukraine's neck within days and without losing a single man. Meanwhile in the real world it took still ridiculously long for the west to actually send meaningful supplies to Ukraine, mostly because they believed the same nonsense as you did in that post from last year.

While aid indeed took a while because the west didn't want to send a bunch only to have Ukraine lose right away and give it all to Russia, certain western countries, including but not limited to Canada, UK, Denmark, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Sweden, have been training the Ukrainian military since 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orbital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unifier