1. #31561
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    My heart bleeds for all the poor innocent orcs being associated with Russian invaders.
    Just pointing out that if something like this makes you uncomfortable.

    https://digitalcollections.hoover.or...er/216202/full

    So should this.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRkhk-XXIAEv9T5.jpg:large

    If nether do then you do you.

  2. #31562
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Just pointing out that if something like this makes you uncomfortable.

    https://digitalcollections.hoover.or...er/216202/full

    So should this.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRkhk-XXIAEv9T5.jpg:large

    If nether do then you do you.
    Well seeing that Russia is not a monoculture or a race, I don't see how comparing an actual racial slur to calling someone a vatnik is as bad.

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    On something a bit more relevant than Yuppie trying to derail the thread with what the Kremlin thinks of the term Vatnik, data from seismic stations early in the morning of this past Tuesday correlating with when the dam breached shows signals of an explosion having taken place at that time, translation through DeepL

    NORSAR has analyzed seismic signals from regional stations in connection with the collapse of the dam in Ukraine on Tuesday night.

    Data from regional seismic stations show clear signals on Tuesday, June 6 at 2:54 am local time. The time and place coincide with media reports of the collapse of the Kakhovka dam. The signals indicate an explosion.
    Last edited by zealo; 2023-06-07 at 07:51 PM.

  4. #31564
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Man, "vatnik" has been around for like a decade. Can't wait till they hear about the word that was popularized when the vatniks began using "Z" to mark their vehicles when they started the large scale invasion.

    Hint: it starts with a "Z" and rhymes with a measuring instrument used by bartenders to measure out 1.5 US fluid ounces of liqour.
    Wait… zigger? Never heard that one

  5. #31565
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    Never heard that one
    I delve to the murky depths of the Internet for my news so the rest of you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    On something a bit more relevant than Yuppie trying to derail the thread with what the Kremlin thinks of the term Vatnik, data from seismic stations early in the morning of this past Tuesday correlating with when the dam breached shows signals of an explosion having taken place at that time, translation through DeepL
    You mean all evidence points to the Russians blowing it up, like everyone fucking expected? Le gasp! I am in SHOCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Why would you speak like this? Wasn't it determined like a couple years ago that you were Russian?
    If there is one thing I have learned from social media recently, is that there are more Russian trolls pretending to be westerners than claiming to be Russian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Just pointing out that if something like this makes you uncomfortable.

    https://digitalcollections.hoover.or...er/216202/full

    So should this.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRkhk-XXIAEv9T5.jpg:large

    If nether do then you do you.
    They're not being called orcs because they're being racially profiled based on their appearance.

    They're being called orcs because they're acting like dumb, savage barbarians.

    Furthermore, I would call the systemic racism faced by the Japanese in the US, immigrants and US citizens alike, during World War 2 to far exceed any such racism Russians are facing currently, especially considering no "Russian internment camps" have been raised up in the deserts of the southwestern US. And I'd wager that the vast majority of harassment any Russians abroad are currently facing stems from a professed support for Putin and the current state of Russian leadership, rather than simply because they are Russian.

    Apples and oranges.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  9. #31569
    Russia is executing Ukrainians that attempt to help others from the flooding of the dam terrorism.

    Russian forces are shooting at Ukrainian rescuers attempting to reach those trapped in flood-struck areas of occupied Kherson after the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an exclusive interview.

    “As soon as our helpers try to rescue them, they are shot at,” Zelenskyy said, referring to efforts to reach residents of towns on the Russian-occupied bank of the Dnipro River, which has been inundated with floodwater after blasts partially destroyed the dam on Tuesday. The floodwaters threaten 80 settlements on both the Ukrainian-held and Russian-occupied sides of the river, according to Kyiv.
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  10. #31570
    Its a Tolkien reference, as russia is the black land of Mordor, which sends forth barbaric hordes to destroy. Its pretty apt.

    Amusingly, some of the orcs from Lord of the Rings asked not to be associated with russia as even they wouldn't stoop as low as russian soldiers do.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainians seem to be making some serious progress in a number of places, up to 5 to 10 kilometers deep in places, and this is just from probing attacks. The main assault brigades with the western gear are yet to be put into action.

  11. #31571
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is it really? Is that why they're not letting any western media into their "Russian Davos"? Or why their central bankers are warning of brain drains as Russians with skills flee the country?

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/euro...ce-2023-05-17/

    Is reporting a 2% YoY shrinkage in their economy for the first quarter "booming" under any definition?
    Im talking about NOW not in the past. I said NOW. do you ever read posts?

    Russia 2022: -2.2%
    Russia 2023: Booms to +0.7% overall but were halfway thru the year.
    Russia 2024: Booms to +2.1% which is a higher projection than the US.

    So by 2024, Russia has a stronger economy than the US

    https://www.newsweek.com/russias-eco...-years-1777788

  12. #31572
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Im talking about NOW not in the past. I said NOW. do you ever read posts?
    Now is not the time to be a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Im talking about NOW not in the past. I said NOW. do you ever read posts?

    Russia 2022: -2.2%
    Russia 2023: Booms to +0.7% overall but were halfway thru the year.
    Russia 2024: Booms to +2.1% which is a higher projection than the US.

    So by 2024, Russia has a stronger economy than the US

    https://www.newsweek.com/russias-eco...-years-1777788
    Year of year GDP growth is not the same as having a stronger economy, China had double digit growth versus the US meager single digit for years no one thought China's economy in the developing years was stronger than the US. Russia's growth has more to do with the facts that they have such tight controls now and GDP growth under 5% is for mature economies. Russia all things considered should be experiencing higher growth than the US, the fact that it hasn't all these years speaks to the greed and corruption of its leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Im talking about NOW not in the past. I said NOW. do you ever read posts?

    Russia 2022: -2.2%
    Russia 2023: Booms to +0.7% overall but were halfway thru the year.
    Russia 2024: Booms to +2.1% which is a higher projection than the US.

    So by 2024, Russia has a stronger economy than the US
    This is some Brexiteer level dishonestly in interpreting these numbers, just so you're aware. The very first comment in reply to this article explains why:

    Year over year increases don't mean much by themselves when the base value of something has been reduced to the point of being nearly worthless.
    So no, even the IMF's in no way certain prediction doesn't mean "Russia has a stronger economy than the US in 2024".
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Im talking about NOW not in the past. I said NOW. do you ever read posts?

    Russia 2022: -2.2%
    Russia 2023: Booms to +0.7% overall but were halfway thru the year.
    Russia 2024: Booms to +2.1% which is a higher projection than the US.

    So by 2024, Russia has a stronger economy than the US

    https://www.newsweek.com/russias-eco...-years-1777788
    If you're talking about NOW then why are you posting about the FUTURE and not NOW, like how right NOW the Russian economy is down 2% from where it was at the same time last year.

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    Lets not forget russia has outright banned the publication of a lot of crucial economic data so any predictions are guesses at best.

  17. #31577
    The week before the terrorist attack on the dam russian government ordered any terror or military actions in the occupied territories to NOT be investigated, where it says the following at the bottom:

    "10. Until January 1, 2028, a technical investigation of accidents at hazardous production facilities and accidents of hydraulic structures that occurred as a result of hostilities, sabotage and terrorist acts is not carried out."

    Here's the law from the russian government website itself: http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/docu...01202305310067
    Here's a text transcription: https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/406865902/
    And a translation of it: https://www-garant-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

    Basically an admission of guilt. Hell, one could call it a declaration of guilt.

  18. #31578
    The Nova Kharkova dam isn't the only one to have been destroyed, it was just the largest and most damaging. A couple of smaller ones have also reportedly been destroyed in the last couple of weeks. One dam you could possibly pass off as structural failing, but not multiple ones.

  19. #31579
    I feel like Russia's goal is not conquest anymore, but just destroying everything they can.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I feel like Russia's goal is not conquest anymore, but just destroying everything they can.
    They might also still be under the delusion that bombing enough shit will break Ukraine's spirit and get them to surrender.

    Though the Dam thing was likely just Russia looking for an immediate, short-sighted means to stall the Ukrainian advance because their defensive lines are woefully unprepared and this allows them to consolidate their forces in the places where they can actually cross safely. Drowning their own troops and cutting clean Crimea off from clean water are just side-effects.

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