Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Nymrohd]

Kind like Russia was going to NOOOOOOK the moment someone attacker Russia proper? Woops.

I mean blowing up the dam and drowning Kyiv will cost as many lives as a nuclear attack would. They have already leveled several towns and small cities.

[Cynical Asshole]

I want it to happen so this is over already. All of it. It's pretty clear the Kakhovka was the tipping point for NATO's rage. They don't want something of this disaster in particular happening again, and that's understandable.

The thing about nuclear war is that you shouldn't weep for those who died, you should weep for those who survived.

[Nymrohd]

The thing about nuclear war is that you shouldn't weep for those who died, you should weep for those who survived.

I'd mostly weep for those who die, just not immediately

[Cynical Asshole]

I'd mostly weep for those who die, just not immediately

I would prefer being vaporized than having to survive through the following holocaust.

[Nymrohd]

I would prefer being vaporized than having to survive through the following holocaust.

Yeah me too. I am mostly refering to the people who die to the fallout from radiation poisoning, that seems like a horrible and slow death.

[Kallisto]

It's either NATO keeps doing nothing and innocents and animals keep dying horrible deaths while Russia mocks its supposed powerlessness

...or NATO intervenes, annihilates the Russian invaders, then challenges Putin's pathetic bluff

I prefer the second, sorry.

Yes because we know you want WW3, even before this war started you were crying about a lack of world war for you to die and take all of us with you in.

[Gabriel]

I would prefer being vaporized than having to survive through the following holocaust.

Yeah me too. I am mostly refering to the people who die to the fallout from radiation poisoning, that seems like a horrible and slow death.

Don't do this to me. Aftermath of nuclear war discussion is my trigger brah.

[Flarelaine]

As we all know from previous experience, discussion of nuclear destruction is a distraction that tends to throw the discussion off. Please stick to events and realistic speculations.

[Gabriel]

Truth be told, I'm a bit baffled that the current signs point towards Ukraine trying to push towards Luhanks and Donetsk. I would have imagined their next step was to cut the land bridge to Crimea.

[Shadowferal]

Truth be told, I'm a bit baffled that the current signs point towards Ukraine trying to push towards Luhanks and Donetsk. I would have imagined their next step was to cut the land bridge to Crimea.

If you can imagine it, so can the enemy.

[Gabriel]

If you can imagine it, so can the enemy.

Luhansk and Donetsk are also the most heavily fortified areas.

[Wilian]

That's WW3 right there. My guess is that the US will try to cool the hot heads and avoid such catastrophe.

Hard disagree. There should be an international coalition formed to push Russia out of Ukraine. I believe in Russian red lines at this point as much as I believe Putin telling the people they are winning. Every single thing that bowing down to their many-times crossed red lines have only caused one thing; More Ukrainian suffering over prolonging the war in fear of some never-coming retaliation. Russia has no means to respond to a coalition force working inside Ukraine. Hell, that force doesn't even have to partake in battles but protect key areas and borders to free Ukrainian troops to do the fighting. Time to fear Russia is over.

They would have only one response and they are not going to do it.

[Cynical Asshole]

Hard disagree. There should be an international coalition formed to push Russia out of Ukraine. I believe in Russian red lines at this point as much as I believe Putin telling the people they are winning. Every single thing that bowing down to their many-times crossed red lines have only caused one thing; More Ukrainian suffering over prolonging the war in fear of some never-coming retaliation. Russia has no means to respond to a coalition force working inside Ukraine. Hell, that force doesn't even have to partake in battles but protect key areas and borders to free Ukrainian troops to do the fighting. Time to fear Russia is over.

They would have only one response and they are not going to do it.

What coalition other than NATO? Russia already named NATO and basically the entire West as its main enemy.

You want Japan to send troops?

[Saradain]

What coalition other than NATO? Russia already named NATO and basically the entire West as its main enemy.

You want Japan to send troops?

If you read the Guardian article posted earlier, it was about NATO MEMBER COUNTRIES sending troops, individually, not official NATO troops.

In the article's case, Poland would happily form a new coalition to ensure Ukraine's sovereignty - probably after this war ends, not during it, in my opinion.

[Iphie]

Truth be told, I'm a bit baffled that the current signs point towards Ukraine trying to push towards Luhanks and Donetsk. I would have imagined their next step was to cut the land bridge to Crimea.

In a way it is cutting the land bridge... just more ambitious than expected.

[Wilian]

What coalition other than NATO? Russia already named NATO and basically the entire West as its main enemy.

You want Japan to send troops?

Coalition of the willing. It does not have to be NATO operation.

[Cynical Asshole]

Coalition of the willing. It does not have to be NATO operation.

Yeah...kinda hard to sell war to your own people when they are not directly affected.

Spending public money to assist Ukraine is one thing, sending soldiers to die is a whole different thing and it won't be seen favorably by the voters. Once those body bags start arriving, and the mothers and wives start appearing crying on TV, the percentages of the current party in power will drop like a rock in a pond.

I mean Bush Jr. had to demolish two tall towers with people still inside them in order to motivate people to support his aggressive oil drilling in another country.

[Wilian]

Yeah...kinda hard to sell war to your own people when they are not directly affected.

Spending public money to assist Ukraine is one thing, sending soldiers to die is a whole different thing and it won't be seen favorably by the voters. Once those body bags start arriving, and the mothers and wives start appearing crying on TV, the favorability of the current party in power will drop like a rock in a pond.

I mean Bush Jr. had to demolish two tall towers with people still inside them in order to motivate people to support his aggressive oil drilling in another country.

It's not a hard sell at all when there is already large scale voluntary support. Furthermore there are some key Eastern European countries that I'd bet my nuts for that they'd partake, primarily Poland who have already in the past said it might be necessary for them to send troops if situation worsens.

[zealo]

Truth be told, I'm a bit baffled that the current signs point towards Ukraine trying to push towards Luhanks and Donetsk. I would have imagined their next step was to cut the land bridge to Crimea.

Could be that they think the rest of the Donbas would be harder to recapture if done after Russia no longer holds a wider front along the corridor down to Crimea, and wants to get that done first, but what’s going on so far seems to be mostly probing attacks still.

[Gabriel]

In a way it is cutting the land bridge... just more ambitious than expected.

Could be that they think the rest of the Donbas would be harder to recapture if done after Russia no longer holds a wider front along the corridor down to Crimea, and wants to get that done first, but what’s going on so far seems to be mostly probing attacks still.

Could be, but I might just have been too jumpy. There are now some reports of Russians abandoning defensive positions north of Melitopol.