Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkAmbient]

News of a drone strike in the Russian city of Voronezh, 110 miles from the border. Seems like it dived into a residential tower block, no fatalities. Unclear who's responsible.

[Voidism]

News of a drone strike in the Russian city of Voronezh, 110 miles from the border. Seems like it dived into a residential tower block, no fatalities. Unclear who's responsible.

russian smokers. They are famously known to cause destruction in russia.

[Ulmita]

The Russians are free to withdraw whenever they want if they don't want to die.

Currently, from what I am reading in Twitter, it's going horribly wrong for Ukraine (and it was expected tbh). I want to know the name of the idiot that send armor and troops without air support...

[Gabriel]

Currently, from what I am reading in Twitter, it's going horribly wrong for Ukraine (and it was expected tbh). I want to know the name of the idiot that send armor and troops without air support...

What you are reading is the Russian mil bloggers, since Ukrainians have pretty good opsec.

[Gorsameth]

Twitter is just full of Russian bots trying to build a narrative. Meanwhile Ukraine is doing the smart thing and maintaining operational security and so not tweeting out how they are doing.

We've seen the effects of Fog of War multiple times, yes stuff is happening. No fussing about it isn't going to change anything. Try and ignore it and come back next week.

[Azadina]

Currently, from what I am reading in Twitter, it's going horribly wrong for Ukraine (and it was expected tbh). I want to know the name of the idiot that send armor and troops without air support...

That's a lot of RuZZki coping going on there. Meanwhile, those buddies of yours are currently receiving the award for their terrorist campaign in Ukraine. Which is, to get blasted and shredded. Should have thought once or twice before invading.

[Corvus]

If you listened to russian reports back at kharkiv and kherson then it sounds exactly the same here. Huge Ukrainian losses, we are holding, then suddenly they collapsed and ran.

Ukraine did take some losses at one point, but they are making steady progress elsewhere, and as has been pointed out those vehicles account for about 1 company, out of 9 western equipped brigades. And so far only three brigades have been used.

There is video of 50+ russians fleeing their position while under attack, so they are fleeing in parts.

The losses seem to be mobility kills from mines mostly, so the crews would have survived and the vehicles can be recovered and repaired. One Leopard already has been from some reports.

[YUPPIE]

so here's the thing I don't get.

People assume if NATO intervenes, Putin will launch nukes. Therefore, it shouldn't happen.

But if Russia is "losing badly" right now and defeat itself is inevitable, then what would stop Putin from launching nukes then on the cusp of losing?

You people see what I mean? That means there's no genuine reason NATO should not intervene now and save lives. The reason they're not intervening could happen regardless, so it's not a good reason.

[Edge-]

People assume if NATO intervenes, Putin will launch nukes. Therefore, it shouldn't happen.

We do?

But if Russia is "losing badly" right now and defeat itself is inevitable, then what would stop Putin from launching nukes then on the cusp of losing?

Are you excited about this?

You people see what I mean? That means there's no genuine reason NATO should not intervene now and save lives. The reason they're not intervening could happen regardless, so it's not a good reason.

I don't, actually. Because I don't think nukes are in play at all, really. But hey, I was wrong on the initial invasion an all so what do I know.

There is genuine reason NATO shouldn't intervene. It's not a NATO ally and NATO doesn't exist to be world police, none of the member nations want to be actively involved in the war. We're all just happy to give Ukraine money, arms, and training so they can fight and win it.

Are you going to volunteer to go fight the righteous fight and save lives, yet?

[Zaydin]

Currently, from what I am reading in Twitter, it's going horribly wrong for Ukraine (and it was expected tbh). I want to know the name of the idiot that send armor and troops without air support...

The only people posting stuff on Twitter are Russians or Russian bots trying to spread misinformation.

[YUPPIE]

We do?



Are you excited about this?



I don't, actually. Because I don't think nukes are in play at all, really. But hey, I was wrong on the initial invasion an all so what do I know.

There is genuine reason NATO shouldn't intervene. It's not a NATO ally and NATO doesn't exist to be world police, none of the member nations want to be actively involved in the war. We're all just happy to give Ukraine money, arms, and training so they can fight and win it.

Are you going to volunteer to go fight the righteous fight and save lives, yet?

1. Yeah we fucking do. That's literally why people go cold at the prospect of NATO putting boots on the ground despite the fact it could end this death and destruction.

2. No.

3. That's not a genuine - or at least believable reason, sorry. There's nothing wrong with world policing if the reasoning is, well, a country's legion of raping and murdering bandits are attempting genocide. If the threat of nukes is a farce or not in play like you say, that means there is no real risk or danger to NATO since they would grind the Russian legions to dust. It makes NATO look worse then because that means, without any risk, they have let thousands be raped and murdered 1.5 year in for nothing. All that blood is partly on their hands.

[Benggaul]

so here's the thing I don't get.

Logic.

/10char

[YUPPIE]

The destruction of Kakhovka dam is now being ruled one of the worst crimes against humanity in the Ukrainian conflict, as hundreds of dead bodies are seen floating over in rescue efforts.

[Veggie50]

so here's the thing I don't get.

People assume if NATO intervenes, Putin will launch nukes. Therefore, it shouldn't happen.

But if Russia is "losing badly" right now and defeat itself is inevitable, then what would stop Putin from launching nukes then on the cusp of losing?

You people see what I mean? That means there's no genuine reason NATO should not intervene now and save lives. The reason they're not intervening could happen regardless, so it's not a good reason.

Nono, not PEOPLE. You.

You have been touting the Russia nuke narrative.

[Kallisto]

The destruction of Kakhovka dam is now being ruled one of the worst crimes against humanity in the Ukrainian conflict, as hundreds of dead bodies are seen floating over in rescue efforts.

I really want to know where you were between 2010 and 2020 since you really were not screaming for war against the Saudis for doing the same things in Yemen. So what's the difference for you. Are Yemenis not white enough for you or would a war in Saudi not have everyone dead like you desire

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so here's the thing I don't get.

People assume if NATO intervenes, Putin will launch nukes. Therefore, it shouldn't happen.

You claim you're in your 40s, did you miss the cold war where plenty of times the two sides were moments away from coming to blows, hell in the 80s the Soviets were convinced that a war game NATO was doing was actually the start of the real thing and had everything (including their nukes) ready to go. This spooked a Soviet spy enough that he outed himself to stop this war from happening because what is basically agreed on would happen if Moscow and Washington (plus proxies) get into a shooting match.

But if Russia is "losing badly" right now and defeat itself is inevitable, then what would stop Putin from launching nukes then on the cusp of losing?

That he can still spin this without NATO involvement directly and basically double down on oppression back home with a new generation.

You people see what I mean? That means there's no genuine reason NATO should not intervene now and save lives. The reason they're not intervening could happen regardless, so it's not a good reason.

When are you going to sign up? Why are you not screaming for NATO to get involved everywhere else where shit like this happens. Is it because you want WW3 and everyone to die? Or are non white people not good enough for you to be allowed to live?

[YUPPIE]

It may just be Ukrainian propaganda, but they are apparently besieging Bahkmut in the counterattack to great effectiveness

[Xyonai]

It may just be Ukrainian propaganda, but they are apparently besieging Bahkmut in the counterattack to great effectiveness

I know we've talked about at length of the tactical insignificance of Bahkmut vs the effort it took to capture it, but it'd be really fucking funny if Ukraine took it back in under three months after bleeding the Russians there for almost a year.

[YUPPIE]

Remember when the people in this thread said Iran wasn't too inclined to help Russia?

Russia receives hundreds of fresh drones from Iran

The White House said on Friday that Russia appeared to be deepening its defense cooperation with Iran and had received hundreds of one-way attack drones that it is using to strike Ukraine.

Citing newly declassified information, the White House said the drones, or Uncrewed Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), were built in Iran, shipped across the Caspian Sea and then used by Russian forces against Ukraine.

"Russia has been using Iranian UAVs in recent weeks to strike Kyiv and terrorize the Ukrainian population, and the Russia-Iran military partnership appears to be deepening," White House spokesman John Kirby said in a statement.

"We are also concerned that Russia is working with Iran to produce Iranian UAVs from inside Russia."

Kirby said the United States had information that Russia was receiving materials from Iran required to build a drone manufacturing plant that could be fully operational early next year.

"We are releasing satellite imagery of the planned location of this UAV manufacturing plant in Russia’s Alabuga Special Economic Zone," he said.

Support between the two countries was flowing both ways, Kirby said, with Iran seeking billions of dollars worth of military equipment from Russia including helicopters and radars.

"Russia has been offering Iran unprecedented defense cooperation, including on missiles, electronics, and air defense," he said.

"This is a full-scale defense partnership that is harmful to Ukraine, to Iran’s neighbors, and to the international community. We are continuing to use all the tools at our disposal to expose and disrupt these activities including by sharing this with the public – and we are prepared to do more."

Kirby said the transfers of drones constituted a violation of United Nations rules and the United States would seek to hold the two countries accountable.

The US has previously sanctioned Iranian executives at a defense manufacturer over drone supplies to Russia. Iran has acknowledged sending drones to Russia but said in they past they were sent before Russia's February invasion.

"We will continue to impose sanctions on the actors involved in the transfer of Iranian military equipment to Russia for use in Ukraine," Kirby said.

He said a new US advisory would be issued on Friday "to help businesses and other governments better understand the risks posed by Iran’s UAV program and the illicit practices Iran uses to procure components for it."

[Gaidax]

That means there's no genuine reason NATO should not intervene now and save lives. The reason they're not intervening could happen regardless, so it's not a good reason.

Here's a genuine reason - they don't want their people dead. It's all nice and well, when it's just money and equipment, but if NATO soldiers will start going back home in the coffins, the public support won't last long.

All NATO needs to do is to supply equipment and training pronto. Ukraine can do the rest.


NATO's first and foremost priority is a security of its member states, which Ukraine is not.

[YUPPIE]

Here's a genuine reason - they don't want their people dead.

Dead? NATO is supposed to be a metaphorical space armada vs goblins armed with sticks here.