Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Cynical Asshole]

If Stalin couldn't blockade Berlin, China can't blockade Taiwan

Taiwan is an island. Just surround it with gunships and AA systems.

[Canpinter]

Taiwan is an island. Just surround it with gunships and AA systems.

That would require the Chinese to shoot down American planes starting a war for sure, at which point the American navy turns the Chinese navy into a lot of nice new coral reefs.

[Kallisto]

Taiwan is an island. Just surround it with gunships and AA systems.

Taiwan also is a fortress and has more anti-ship missiles than Ukraine could wish for. Any attempt by the PRC to surround it is going to end up being a very bad day for the People's Liberation Army Navy (Yes that's the official name for the navy of the PRC)

[zealo]

Taiwan is an island. Just surround it with gunships and AA systems.

Trying to blockade Taiwan like that would have them starting a war with America.

Somehow I don't think the Chinese navy is quite up for picking that fight just yet.

[Gaidax]

When time comes China will swallow Taiwan whole and nothing US or anyone else will be able to do with it.

I estimate it happening in a decade or two at most.

[Belize]

When time comes China will swallow Taiwan whole and nothing US or anyone else will be able to do with it.

I estimate it happening in a decade or two at most.

Only if it happens politically (somehow). A prolonged wat in Taiwan would have far more repercussions globally than Ukraine ever could.

[Cynical Asshole]

Trying to blockade Taiwan like that would have them starting a war with America.

Somehow I don't think the Chinese navy is quite up for picking that fight just yet.

No, it wouldn't. America is too fat and complacent to engage in a serious conflict.

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That would require the Chinese to shoot down American planes starting a war for sure, at which point the American navy turns the Chinese navy into a lot of nice new coral reefs.

No, because America is not gonna do shit.

Like...why do you think Putin had the balls to upset the world's balance by attacking Ukraine? Cause Biden's America is not gonna do shit besides throw money at the situation. America is too weak to call Putin's bluff by sending NATO troops into Ukraine and inviting Putin to shoot at them, and Putin knows that and so does Xi Jin Ping, and Iran has seen that too.

Nobody takes Biden seriously. They all know he's a weak and senile old man who ain't gonna do jackshit.

Maybe if Trump becomes president he will make a display of force to make the world's enemies respect America again.

[YUPPIE]

I believe Putin's actions as a whole have emboldened the most powerful (resourceful) dictators like Xi, Kim, and Khamenei. The fact that he has nukes and that deterrent alone is enough to keep NATO at arm's length as he commits atrocity after atrocity after atrocity of little consequence.

Eventually, what would stop the other aforementioned from invading other smaller nations with that deterrent in mind?

[Gaidax]

No, it wouldn't. America is too fat and complacent to engage in a serious conflict.

It's nothing to do with fat and complacent, but the same reason why NATO does not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

You won't be able to sell it to the constituents: "We gotta go send our bois fight China over some island half a globe away". Any party that would try to propose that crap, won't see White House or congress for a decade.

The best thing West and US can do about it is negotiate with maybe somehow making it Hong Kong 2.0, while building capacities and capabilities to replace what will eventually be lost in Taiwan.

[Canpinter]

Eventually, what would stop the other aforementioned from invading other smaller nations with that deterrent in mind?

What's stoping them is they are seeing a huge regional power getting it's shit kicked in by a much smaller nation equipped with NATO and Americas hand me downs.

[Cynical Asshole]

It's nothing to do with fat and complacent, but the same reason why NATO does not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

You won't be able to sell it to the constituents: "We gotta go send our bois fight China over some island half a globe away". Any party that would try to propose that crap, won't see White House or congress for a decade.

The best thing West and US can do about it is negotiate with maybe somehow making it Hong Kong 2.0, while building capacities and capabilities to replace what will eventually be lost in Taiwan.

Such cowardice always works in the favor of world's enemies. Then they can just take more liberties and demand more things, knowing that American politicians are scared of losing elections and they will back off every time.

[Calfredd]

Maybe if Trump becomes president he will make a display of force to make the world's enemies respect America again.

Putting down Biden while trying to prop up a chihuahua? All bark and no bite.

[zealo]

Only if it happens politically (somehow). A prolonged wat in Taiwan would have far more repercussions globally than Ukraine ever could.

Which is also why the US would have far greater impetus to get involved directly in that.

People on here don't seem to realise just how important things like TSMC is to America's economy when they're suggesting they'd sit that one out and twiddle their thumbs.

[Canpinter]

It's nothing to do with fat and complacent, but the same reason why NATO does not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

NATO isn't going to war with Russia for the simple reason that it's getting everything it wants from just supplying Ukraine with more guns then they can carry.

The point of NATO was never to conquer Russia it was to ensure Russia would not be a threat to a combined alliance, and Russia destroying its own military in Ukraine accomplishes that.

[Azadina]

Nobody takes Biden seriously. They all know he's a weak and senile old man who ain't gonna do jackshit.

Maybe if Trump becomes president he will make a display of force to make the world's enemies respect America again.

Like what? Helping his master Putler take over Ukraine?

He surrendered to Taliban. What a show of force indeed.

[Milchshake]

NATO isn't going to war with Russia for the simple reason that it's getting everything it wants from just supplying Ukraine with more guns then they can carry.

The point of NATO was never to conquer Russia it was to ensure Russia would not be a threat to a combined alliance, and Russia destroying its own military in Ukraine accomplishes that.

These are the guys that were saying "Ukraine would run out of gas ... should just surrender" just a year ago.


"Ze West will fail Taiwan" is just their new copium.

[Edge-]

No, because America is not gonna do shit.

Like...why do you think Putin had the balls to upset the world's balance by attacking Ukraine? Cause Biden's America is not gonna do shit besides throw money at the situation. America is too weak to call Putin's bluff by sending NATO troops into Ukraine and inviting Putin to shoot at them, and Putin knows that and so does Xi Jin Ping, and Iran has seen that too.

Nobody takes Biden seriously. They all know he's a weak and senile old man who ain't gonna do jackshit.

Maybe if Trump becomes president he will make a display of force to make the world's enemies respect America again.

I hope you're posting this from the front lines as a volunteer fighter.

Otherwise this reads like a bunch of empty "big man" talk where you weirdly cheerlead a guy who couldn't serve because he was too rich taking the United States into another war. Which is a weird position.

[Canpinter]

These are the guys that were saying "Ukraine would run out of gas ... should just surrender" just a year ago.


"Ze West will fail Taiwan" is just their new copium.

I mean I assumed Ukraine would fall in the first few weeks of the war, but that was before we all got to see just how bad corruption had destroyed the Russian military. Everyone know it existed but even really good intelligence agencies seem to have been surprised.

Honestly that likely played a part in why the west was a bit slow off the mark to provide aid, this isn't a mistake we are likely to make with Taiwan.

[zealo]

I hope you're posting this from the front lines as a volunteer fighter.

Otherwise this reads like a bunch of empty "big man" talk where you weirdly cheerlead a guy who couldn't serve because he was too rich taking the United States into another war. Which is a weird position.

Any time you see someone rolling out the "Biden is senile" line followed by praise of Trump, it's like a huge blaring foghorn the poster's understanding of what's going on is limited, to put it kindly.

[Makabreska]

Like...why do you think Putin had the balls to upset the world's balance by attacking Ukraine? Cause Biden's America is not gonna do shit besides throw money at the situation. America is too weak to call Putin's bluff by sending NATO troops into Ukraine and inviting Putin to shoot at them, and Putin knows that and so does Xi Jin Ping, and Iran has seen that too.

Nobody takes Biden seriously. They all know he's a weak and senile old man who ain't gonna do jackshit.

Maybe if Trump becomes president he will make a display of force to make the world's enemies respect America again.

So you are complaining that NATO - a defensive pact, is not going to fight for country that is not one of it's members? And you say that throwing "money at the situation" is meaningless? That all the equipment and intel from USA and others didn't help Ukrainians? And are you saying that Trump, the guy with isolationist politics preaching a stop to military interventions and with constant attempts at Putin bromance, the same guy who can't to this day decisively admit that Russia is the aggressor, will somehow do a "show of force"? Wow dude, what are you even smoking at this point?