Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Once they finish off Ukraine, Russia is invading Poland. This is actually a Russian invasion of Europe. That's why Russia hasn't declared war and is fighting with just a fraction of its full power. For the moment, Russia is trying to cause a stalemate that weakens NATO's resolve. The idea is once NATO stops funding and arming Ukraine, then Russia runs Ukraine over.

There is some rumbling in NATO that they will have to put NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine to avoid that. But that's a double-edged sword.

1. If NATO doesn't insert their own troops, this is likely to be a stalemate and NATO loses its resolve.
2. If NATO inserts their own troops, they will hammer Russia, but then NATO citizens will start to ask why are their kids dying over there and anti-war sentiment will bloom.

m8, this is delusional.

[Edge-]

m8, this is delusional.

No no, you see they sunk their ships on purpose like they claimed is truly a strategic play that no nation has ever conceived of.

We have so much to learn from them.

[YUPPIE]

C'MON POLAND! Don't fucking chicken out after something like this

An unidentified object fired from Belarus at a Polish Border Guard vehicle passed through the vehicle narrowly missing its occupants, it has been revealed.

Speaking at a meeting of the parliamentary subcommittee for citizenship, foreigners and migration, which was devoted to the situation on the border with Belarus, Colonel Arkadiusz Tywoniuk, the deputy director of the Border Guard (SG) Headquarters, said the incident took place a few days ago on the Belarusian border.

"The object pierced the side window of the vehicle, flew out the other side, and broke another window," he said.

"This threatened the lives and health," of the two officers in the vehicle, he continued. Just what the object was has not yet been determined.

Colonel Tywoniuk said that the SG has become is concerned about the increasingly aggressive behaviour of foreigners trying to cross into Poland.

Throwing stones at officers and the destruction of equipment, he added, was now commonplace.

In 2021, Poland's border with Belarus came under huge pressure from thousands of migrants trying to get into the country.

Last month, the Border Guard reported an incident during which officers were pelted with stones after they stopped a group of 13 foreigners trying to get into Poland in the Białowieża Forest.

[Kaleredar]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Once they finish off Ukraine, Russia is invading Poland. This is actually a Russian invasion of Europe. That's why Russia hasn't declared war and is fighting with just a fraction of its full power.

I thought this farcical notion that Russia is playing 27-dimmensional chess would have been done away with in the minds of even the most crackpot of armchair generals.

You know what Hitler didn't do at the outset of WW2? Founder in Poland for a year and a half as part of a "grand strategy."

Russia tried the blitzkrieg. Russia failed.

The world is not comprised of secret shadow kabals and hooded figures moving chess pieces around a giant board to some nefarious, but grandly orchestrated, end. It's full of many petty, self-interested people all struggling vainly, and a good number of those petty, self-interested people are in leadership positions in Russia.

Occam's razor here, my dude. Maybe instead of Russia deftly looking like they're failing, perhaps they're... just failing.

For the moment, Russia is trying to cause a stalemate that weakens NATO's resolve. The idea is once NATO stops funding and arming Ukraine, then Russia runs Ukraine over.

There is some rumbling in NATO that they will have to put NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine to avoid that. But that's a double-edged sword.

1. If NATO doesn't insert their own troops, this is likely to be a stalemate and NATO loses its resolve.

NATO is watching one of its main geopolitical enemies self-immolate right before their eyes. NATO has gained two countries right on Russia's border. And they haven't had to lift a damn finger. A pittance of military spending to set Russia back decades economically and in military capacity, and all they have to do is keep sending weapons at the cost of a military budget rounding error.

NATO is probably the strongest, its members the most united, and its enemies the most unseated, as has been the case in decades.

2. If NATO inserts their own troops, they will hammer Russia, but then NATO citizens will start to ask why are their kids dying over there and anti-war sentiment will bloom.

You think "the west" needs to sell its people on anti-Kremlin sentiment? That it would be a hard thing to do?

Western media and perception has made Russia out to be enemies for the better part of 7 decades. You think that just evaporates? And this wouldn't be some Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan (which the US stayed in for decades anyway, how much gas do you think Russia has in the tank?) wherein western forces are invading and/or otherwise occupying sovereign country and fighting heavily with a dissident local populace, this would be a campaign to stop Russia's spread through Europe, joining the defenders against a malicious horde of invaders.

The only dissenting voices in western politics are the ones who are drawing a Russian paycheck or are backing people who do.

[Azadina]

C'MON POLAND! Don't fucking chicken out after something like this

What do you want them to do exactly? Invade Belarus, N word the whole Belarus, assassinate it's leadership? What? What's manly man tough guy enough response in your head to this terrible injustice that's happened?

[Gabriel]

No no, you see they sunk their ships on purpose like they claimed is truly a strategic play that no nation has ever conceived of.

We have so much to learn from them.

I-I don't think I want to.

[Iphie]

C'MON POLAND! Don't fucking chicken out after something like this

An unidentified object fired from Belarus at a Polish Border Guard vehicle passed through the vehicle narrowly missing its occupants, it has been revealed.

Speaking at a meeting of the parliamentary subcommittee for citizenship, foreigners and migration, which was devoted to the situation on the border with Belarus, Colonel Arkadiusz Tywoniuk, the deputy director of the Border Guard (SG) Headquarters, said the incident took place a few days ago on the Belarusian border.

"The object pierced the side window of the vehicle, flew out the other side, and broke another window," he said.

"This threatened the lives and health," of the two officers in the vehicle, he continued. Just what the object was has not yet been determined.

Colonel Tywoniuk said that the SG has become is concerned about the increasingly aggressive behaviour of foreigners trying to cross into Poland.

Throwing stones at officers and the destruction of equipment, he added, was now commonplace.

In 2021, Poland's border with Belarus came under huge pressure from thousands of migrants trying to get into the country.

Last month, the Border Guard reported an incident during which officers were pelted with stones after they stopped a group of 13 foreigners trying to get into Poland in the Białowieża Forest.

It's not even clear Belarus is responsible for this, from the text it might just as well be illegal migrants trying to scare of the border patrols. So WHY should Poland go and do something about it?

[YUPPIE]

Let's be real here: by all accounts, this would invoke Article 5 if those men were killed. But they weren't so we'll excuse it with the usual condemnation/slam headlines.

I'm just hoping Poland at least enforces some sanctions on Belarus over this.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Once they finish off Ukraine, Russia is invading Poland. This is actually a Russian invasion of Europe. That's why Russia hasn't declared war and is fighting with just a fraction of its full power. For the moment, Russia is trying to cause a stalemate that weakens NATO's resolve. The idea is once NATO stops funding and arming Ukraine, then Russia runs Ukraine over.

There is some rumbling in NATO that they will have to put NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine to avoid that. But that's a double-edged sword.

1. If NATO doesn't insert their own troops, this is likely to be a stalemate and NATO loses its resolve.
2. If NATO inserts their own troops, they will hammer Russia, but then NATO citizens will start to ask why are their kids dying over there and anti-war sentiment will bloom.

Did you just time travel back to the start of this war to write this? Because that's the only time when this wouldn't have been laughably wrong, when we didn't realise just how badly corruption had fucked over the Russian military.

Writing it today, with what is now common knowledge of the situation, suggests that either you are deliberately posting misinformation for unknown purposes, or you need to tone down the drugs. Everyone that reads this is going to be contact dumber as a result.

[Flarelaine]

Ukrainians: yay more dead russians, have a vodka on me boys.

Russians: Deny it happened, then cope/seethe/mald. Don't invade people if you don't want your soldiers to die.

US: will say, thanks for advertising our area denial solutions!

Entire rest of the world: foreigners getting killed somewhere? Sucks to be them.

Some parts of the world with memories of Russian occupation (see my location) will take up Ukraine on their offer of vodka. Beyond that, correct.

[Corvus]

A number of African leaders are in Kyiv to push for a negotiated compromise. Of course russia decided to attack Kyiv with missiles and drones while they were there.

Wonder if they will now get you can't compromise with terrorists.

[YUPPIE]

Wonder if they will now get you can't compromise with terrorists.

It's not that. It's the fact Putin has leverage over Africa through coercion and intimidation.

[Iphie]

A number of African leaders are in Kyiv to push for a negotiated compromise. Of course russia decided to attack Kyiv with missiles and drones while they were there.

Wonder if they will now get you can't compromise with terrorists.

To be honest, this is kinda stupid from a diplomatic point of view, right now quite a few African nations are indifferent or somewhat russia positive. Getting bombarded tends to sour one's position...

[Belize]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Once they finish off Ukraine, Russia is invading Poland. This is actually a Russian invasion of Europe. That's why Russia hasn't declared war and is fighting with just a fraction of its full power. For the moment, Russia is trying to cause a stalemate that weakens NATO's resolve. The idea is once NATO stops funding and arming Ukraine, then Russia runs Ukraine over.

There is some rumbling in NATO that they will have to put NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine to avoid that. But that's a double-edged sword.

1. If NATO doesn't insert their own troops, this is likely to be a stalemate and NATO loses its resolve.
2. If NATO inserts their own troops, they will hammer Russia, but then NATO citizens will start to ask why are their kids dying over there and anti-war sentiment will bloom.

Who would have thought the crazed U.S. civil war pusher would also be an insane pro-Russia nut job.

Get help dude.

[Veggie50]

Let's be real here: by all accounts, this would invoke Article 5 if those men were killed. But they weren't so we'll excuse it with the usual condemnation/slam headlines.

I'm just hoping Poland at least enforces some sanctions on Belarus over this.

Article 5 isn’t triggered by an event. A nato country can choose to invoke it after an event.

[Dontrike]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It is an invasion, better yet Russia is looking to commit a genocide. A genocidal invasion as it were.

Shouldn't you be screeching about how the US will be in another civil war for the 2938235264th time elsewhere on the forum?

[Makabreska]

Technically, this isnt a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Once they finish off Ukraine, Russia is invading Poland. This is actually a Russian invasion of Europe. That's why Russia hasn't declared war and is fighting with just a fraction of its full power. For the moment, Russia is trying to cause a stalemate that weakens NATO's resolve. The idea is once NATO stops funding and arming Ukraine, then Russia runs Ukraine over.

There is some rumbling in NATO that they will have to put NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine to avoid that. But that's a double-edged sword.

1. If NATO doesn't insert their own troops, this is likely to be a stalemate and NATO loses its resolve.
2. If NATO inserts their own troops, they will hammer Russia, but then NATO citizens will start to ask why are their kids dying over there and anti-war sentiment will bloom.

How are those nukes you said Putin will defo send towards USA in November?

[enigma77]

So apparently Ukrainian POWs are held in.. Hungary?

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ocation_of_11/

[Iphie]

So apparently Ukrainian POWs are held in.. Hungary?

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ocation_of_11/

It's not illegal...but this is on the edge.

[Cynical Asshole]

It's not illegal...but this is on the edge.

Oh please. Turkey took a lot more liberties with the EU and America than this, and nothing happened.