Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elder Millennial]

Not in particular. It's just that today we have way more surveillance and social media to share it on.

Humans are just as disgusting as 300,000 years ago.

That's a weird take.

Are you trying to claim with a straight face that the world today is just as brutal as in the times of Genghis Khan or Stalin and Hitler or Vietnam?

We have broadly been dialing down on the lunacy or at least trying to. Except the Russians, sure it's not as bad as during Stalin's purges...maybe ....but they sure as shit trending in the opposite direction of everyone else.

[Cynical Asshole]

That's a weird take.

Are you trying to claim with a straight face that the world today is just as brutal as in the times of Genghis Khan or Stalin and Hitler or Vietnam?

We have broadly been dialing down on the lunacy or at least trying to. Except the Russians, sure it's not as bad as during Stalin's purges...maybe ....but they sure as shit trending in the opposite direction of everyone else.

It happens less frequently but it still happens because humans are just apes, and apes are nasty, especially chimpanzees. And you can't really take the ape out of the human, especially not when armies have no oversight and no court martial for war crimes. For example, American soldiers would never do anything like that because they would be court martialed, but Russian soldiers do because this is not a crime in Russia and also officers encourage war crimes against the enemy, leaving the Russian soldier's own conscience as the only deciding factor on whether or not to be an ape.

[Kaleredar]

leaving the Russian soldier's own conscience as the only deciding factor on whether or not to be an ape.

...or a Ukrainian bullet through their skull.

[Voidism]

It happens less frequently but it still happens because humans are just apes, and apes are nasty, especially chimpanzees. And you can't really take the ape out of the human, especially not when armies have no oversight and no court martial for war crimes. For example, American soldiers would never do anything like that because they would be court martialed, but Russian soldiers do because this is not a crime in Russia and also officers encourage war crimes against the enemy, leaving the Russian soldier's own conscience as the only deciding factor on whether or not to be an ape.

God, I hate chimps. :s
I like Bonobos though. But most other apes and monkeys are... eww. :s
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The whole anti-imperialism bs is so tiring. China and russia are basically corrupting the whole continent of Africa, while they are distracted by malding over what SOME European countries did to them many many decades ago - backed up by traitors in universities in Sweden at least. I really don't understand how people who claim to want feminist self-defense courses can stand by and say we shouldn't help Ukraine. I guess Ukrainian women are worthless to them? Why appease a abusive man (putin)? That is what grinds my gears when these people open their mouths.

SR, Swedish Radio - state funded, even wanted to make a point of being independent saying they will report thing neutrally if the war comes here. AKA, they will not do what the military asks of them. That's how fucking far these culture and academic folks are willing to go: https://kvartal-se.translate.goog/ar..._x_tr_pto=wapp

News flash, there will be no "independent media" if Sweden falls. These people live in their own little bubble.

[Kaleredar]

God, I hate chimps. :s
I like Bonobos though. But most other apes and monkeys are... eww. :s
_ _

The whole anti-imperialism bs is so tiring. China and russia are basically corrupting the whole continent of Africa, while they are distracted by malding over what SOME European countries did to them many many decades ago - backed up by traitors in universities in Sweden at least. I really don't understand how people who claim to want feminist self-defense courses can stand by and say we shouldn't help Ukraine. I guess Ukrainian women are worthless to them? Why appease a abusive man (putin)? That is what grinds my gears when these people open their mouths.

SR, Swedish Radio - state funded, even wanted to make a point of being independent saying they will report thing neutrally if the war comes here. AKA, they will not do what the military asks of them. That's how fucking far these culture and academic folks are willing to go: https://kvartal-se.translate.goog/ar..._x_tr_pto=wapp

News flash, there will be no "independent media" if Sweden falls. These people live in their own little bubble.

I get the impression that there's a small but stodgy "anti-west" element at play here. I'm assuming, money-wise, it traces back to Russia in some way, shape, or form, with contrarian assholes along for the ride trying to operate under some fake intelligentsia guise.

In essence, due to "the west's" history, everything in the modern world is and continues to be their fault. Hell, we had people in this thread laying the blame for this nonsense at the feet of the US for "not helping Russia and Ukraine come to peace agreements" and for "goading Ukraine on by helping arm them," and of course others droning on about how "reckless NATO expansion forced Russia to attack."

They're anti-military industrial complex, anti-capitalist and anti-war to the point of inanity because they only apply them to western interests. In their mind Russia isn't as bad for attacking Ukraine as the west, because the west helps Ukraine and therefore makes the war last longer. Russia's industrial war machine isn't as bad as the west's because the west is "maliciously making profits" funding Ukrainian resistance.

It's all very empty and hollow and they have no real response to "Russia could end this any time they wanted by leaving" and generally resort back to "NATO made Russia do it! They wanted this! They tricked them!" as if Russia had no agency of its own in doing a bald-faced territorial invasion.

[Gabriel]

I get the impression that there's a small but stodgy "anti-west" element at play here. I'm assuming, money-wise, it traces back to Russia in some way, shape, or form, with contrarian assholes along for the ride trying to operate under some fake intelligentsia guise.

In essence, due to "the west's" history, everything in the modern world is and continues to be their fault. Hell, we had people in this thread laying the blame for this nonsense at the feet of the US for "not helping Russia and Ukraine come to peace agreements" and for "goading Ukraine on by helping arm them," and of course others droning on about how "reckless NATO expansion forced Russia to attack."

They're anti-military industrial complex, anti-capitalist and anti-war to the point of inanity because they only apply them to western interests. In their mind Russia isn't as bad for attacking Ukraine as the west, because the west helps Ukraine and therefore makes the war last longer. Russia's industrial war machine isn't as bad as the west's because the west is "maliciously making profits" funding Ukrainian resistance.

It's all very empty and hollow and they have no real response to "Russia could end this any time they wanted by leaving" and generally resort back to "NATO made Russia do it! They wanted this! They tricked them!" as if Russia had no agency of its own in doing a bald-faced territorial invasion.

Russiaboos basically come in two flavors; idiots and cunts.

The idiots are swayed by Russian propaganda about how the West is to blame for all ills of the world, while Russia is just a poor poor victim of US imperialism.

The cunts are typically some form of racist/sexist/homophobes, that thinks the Russian culture is superior to the West because Russia doesn't tolerate wokeness/LGBTQ ideas and in Russia it is still acceptable to beat your based tradwife if she misbehaves.

[Shadowferal]

Some of them have a clearer vision (Kenya was not part of the delegation.)

Martin Kimani...represents Kenya well.

[ArcanaXVIII]

I get the impression that there's a small but stodgy "anti-west" element at play here. I'm assuming, money-wise, it traces back to Russia in some way, shape, or form, with contrarian assholes along for the ride trying to operate under some fake intelligentsia guise.

In essence, due to "the west's" history, everything in the modern world is and continues to be their fault. Hell, we had people in this thread laying the blame for this nonsense at the feet of the US for "not helping Russia and Ukraine come to peace agreements" and for "goading Ukraine on by helping arm them," and of course others droning on about how "reckless NATO expansion forced Russia to attack."

They're anti-military industrial complex, anti-capitalist and anti-war to the point of inanity because they only apply them to western interests. In their mind Russia isn't as bad for attacking Ukraine as the west, because the west helps Ukraine and therefore makes the war last longer. Russia's industrial war machine isn't as bad as the west's because the west is "maliciously making profits" funding Ukrainian resistance.

It's all very empty and hollow and they have no real response to "Russia could end this any time they wanted by leaving" and generally resort back to "NATO made Russia do it! They wanted this! They tricked them!" as if Russia had no agency of its own in doing a bald-faced territorial invasion.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

It's the same thing here in France. There are a lot of lefties who are very anti-capitalism/anti US "imperialism" as they call it.
To them aligning with Ukraine means aligning with the US. So they end up dividing by 0 by tolerating (and for some openly supporting) a country which imperialism is one of the worst in the world. It's truely utterly stupid.

At least, the far right support of Russia is "logical" (they are on russia's payroll and they love the manly anti-woke Poutine), but for the far left it's purely anti-US bullshit.

I swear I want to punch the next guy who tries to go "Yes but Irak" when talking about Ukraine.

[YUPPIE]

Anti-war activist dies in Russian prison ‘after being tortured with stun gun

An anti-war activist has died in a Russian prison after being tortured with a stun gun, a human rights group has said.

Rostov police have insisted that Anatoly Berezikov, 40, died by suicide following his arrest on suspicion of treason for putting up posters that called for the Russian army to leave Ukraine.

However, First Department, the human rights NGO he worked for, said Berezikov died on Wednesday, the day before he was due to be released, after being taken to a forest and wounded with the weapon.

Yevgeny Smirnov, a lawyer for the group, said that the alleged treatment of the activist, a supporter of imprisoned opposition leader Alexei Navalny, fitted a wider pattern.

He said torture had been normalised and that people accused of treason are taken to a basement or a forest and given electric shocks, “often to the genitals”, and, in some cases, subjected to a mock execution.

“The lucky ones are just beaten,” he added.

Berezikov’s lawyer in Rostov said his client had injuries from a stun gun on his body the day before he died.

Since launching its war on Ukraine in February last year, the Kremlin has clamped down on dissent.

[Nymrohd]

I get the impression that there's a small but stodgy "anti-west" element at play here. I'm assuming, money-wise, it traces back to Russia in some way, shape, or form, with contrarian assholes along for the ride trying to operate under some fake intelligentsia guise.

I mean in my country it comes from the fact that the West very much inflamed the civil war right after WW2, very much allowed collaborators to not just go unpunished but retain their wealth and power and later backed the dictatorship to prevent a possible socialist government. That's after the foreign monarchy staged a coup and forced a war after WW1 that caused massive losses. After joining the EU the relationship became far less problematic but memories stay. That said, I laugh at anti-Western propagandists love for Russia given that Russia never actually did anything for Greece other than just promise and never deliver.

[Voidism]

I get the impression that there's a small but stodgy "anti-west" element at play here. I'm assuming, money-wise, it traces back to Russia in some way, shape, or form, with contrarian assholes along for the ride trying to operate under some fake intelligentsia guise.

In essence, due to "the west's" history, everything in the modern world is and continues to be their fault. Hell, we had people in this thread laying the blame for this nonsense at the feet of the US for "not helping Russia and Ukraine come to peace agreements" and for "goading Ukraine on by helping arm them," and of course others droning on about how "reckless NATO expansion forced Russia to attack."

They're anti-military industrial complex, anti-capitalist and anti-war to the point of inanity because they only apply them to western interests. In their mind Russia isn't as bad for attacking Ukraine as the west, because the west helps Ukraine and therefore makes the war last longer. Russia's industrial war machine isn't as bad as the west's because the west is "maliciously making profits" funding Ukrainian resistance.

It's all very empty and hollow and they have no real response to "Russia could end this any time they wanted by leaving" and generally resort back to "NATO made Russia do it! They wanted this! They tricked them!" as if Russia had no agency of its own in doing a bald-faced territorial invasion.

Someone, I think Kraut his name was, said that these western leftists hate Eastern Europe because of the fall of Soviet. They hate Ukraine for, in their minds, destroying this utopia. Soviet nostalgics. So it's easy for them to be "swayed." However, the larger problem lies in the "theories" these universities buy into since it's what keeps it going generation after generation. They are little better than horoscopes. I dunno if it's russia financing them (probably, partially), but I think we should stop blaming everything on external forces. russia doesn't create the problems, they just nudge the ones already there.

For those interested, I would recommend Vlad Vexler to try to understand what is going on. Here's one about democratic decline, here's one recent from his second channel and the youtube algorithm and why it seems to push towards differen't views and here's him reacting to Jordan Peterson's idiotic take on Ukraine.

Vladislav Vexler is a political philosopher and a big proponent of giving way more to Ukraine and that we in the West need to decide to help Ukraine WIN, not just survive. Just fyi.

[Biglog]

I'm sure there are some historical complaints going back 100+ years, and in fairness all of the world powers in the East and West were 'colonial' to some degree really through the 1970's. Although in Africa especially with Russia and China that attempt to influence and create reliance is still very much active.

But in terms of the Ukraine-Russia topic, that's also missing the forest for the trees when there is a major power, not only forcibly invading it's neighbor with a surprise attack, but also openly aiming for the re-establishment of the Soviet Union with troops flying Soviet flags...i.e. the plan isn't to stop in Ukraine. So while Russia is not that far off shelling villages with aims of more Eastern European countries being next if successful, the negativity about what a Western country did or didn't do 50 or 100 years ago doesn't seem nearly as imminently important.

[Gabriel]

Today vatniks blew up their own medevac, because they thought it was Ukrainians disguised as Russians, since it was actually going for the wounded Russians.

[enigma77]

Today vatniks blew up their own medevac, because they thought it was Ukrainians disguised as Russians, since it was actually going for the wounded Russians.

I wish this site had upvotes.

[Edge-]

Today vatniks blew up their own medevac, because they thought it was Ukrainians disguised as Russians, since it was actually going for the wounded Russians.

Is this too one of the super secret advanced strategery techniques we've been hearing about from some folks? Does this get added to the list of, "secretly brilliant tactics" alongside "sinking your own warship in an enemy harbor"?

[The Stormbringer]

Anatoly Berezikov, 40, died by suicide following his arrest on suspicion of treason for putting up posters that called for the Russian army to leave Ukraine.

Nah, nope, that's bait. That's propaganda. Nuh uh.

[Cynical Asshole]

Today vatniks blew up their own medevac, because they thought it was Ukrainians disguised as Russians, since it was actually going for the wounded Russians.

When you believe the enemy would pull a war crime on you, because it's something you would totally do yourself if you had the chance.

[YUPPIE]

A trending article claims it's morally acceptable to be paranoid, if not racist, of any Russian as long as their government doesn't collapse.

[Calfredd]

A trending article claims it's morally acceptable to be paranoid, if not racist, of any Russian as long as their government doesn't collapse.

Finally found someone to give you a pass there?

[YUPPIE]

Finally found someone to give you a pass there?

no, it's heinous as fuck