Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elder Millennial]

no, it's heinous as fuck

Can you stop?

You literally dug up some random article from 2 month old click bait farm that will publish literally anything and everything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/20/b...s-startup.html

I never even heard of "The Messenger" until this moment. "Trending" where is it "trending" on their bot farms?

Every day, I'm getting less Russophobic and more Yuppiephobic.

And one more fucking time, the article doesn't even say what you claim it says! You are so exhausting to deal with.

The reasons for this continuity are, above all, cultural and geographic. Russian political and religious culture glorifies hierarchy and obedience to the powers that be, even if they are bloodthirsty. Russian political culture claims that Russia is a civilization unto itself, one that is unique, boundless and endowed with a Messianic mission. There is, alas, much truth to the claim that the Kremlin’s Western and Russian apologists make that Russia is dictatorial and imperialist because authoritarianism and empire apparently are exactly what many, if not most, Russians want.

Followed by explaining

Russia’s non-Russian neighbors know all too well that their encounters with Muscovy and its later hypostases — the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation — brought little comfort and much pain. Western Europeans and North Americans may lecture them about the logical pitfalls of all-too-embracing generalizations, but the non-Russians know that the only logic that matters to them and their survival is that of inexorable Russian expansionism and unwavering Russian indifference to or pride in the crimes committed in their name.

Can one fault the non-Russians for being Russophobes? Can one fault the Balts, Poles, Georgians and Ukrainians, in particular, for hating Russia and damning it to hell? Not at all. Both morality and the existential need to survive dictate that Russophobia is the only possible response to the Russian state’s evil. Russia’s decision to supplement the genocide of Ukrainians with the ecocide of Ukraine has made Russophobia a moral obligation and a badge of honor.

Concluding

But non-Russian Russophobia goes only so far. For hatred of the evil empire to translate into genuine change, Russians must embrace Russophobia and thereby initiate their country’s move toward decency. That won’t be easy. They’ll have to dissociate themselves from the state that claims to personify them and prioritize their moral value as human beings over the power and the glory promised by the evil empire. Turning against Vladimir Putin and his entourage would be a good place to start.

Ultimately, Russophobia exists and will continue to exist because the Russians tolerate and embrace the crimes of their state. The ball is in their court. If they fail to turn against Russia and make it democratic, Russophobia will disappear only after the Russian state follows in the footsteps of other imperial dictatorships and disappears.

What the article says is that people need to oppose and hate Russian imperialism and the cultural traits that allow that imperialism and that Russians themselves need to reform their culture and reject their CURRENT government.

Do you speak English? Do you ever read the context of the shit that you vomit on these forums? DO YOU?

@MoDs....Is there a workaround for the problem of not being able to ignore Yuppie without having the whole thread disappear? Because having to read his drivel every time you open this thread is just mind numbing.

[noidentity]

Do you speak English? Do you ever read the context of the shit that you vomit on these forums? DO YOU?
numbing.

His chatbot is incapable of deciphering context in the human language, it's trying desperately but Yuppie is too lazy to proofread.

[Benggaul]

@MoDs....Is there a workaround for the problem of not being able to ignore Yuppie without having the whole thread disappear? Because having to read his drivel every time you open this thread is just mind numbing.

If you ever find out a way let me know. I'd love to keep this thread visible because of the actual news that gets posted by other people but that means putting up with it being inundated by that fucking child who the mods just let spread Russian propaganda and fearmongering bullshit nonstop. So that means putting the sealion on ignore and then just refreshing the home page once in a while until the Russian thread pops up as one of the recently replied-to threads.

[Deus Mortis]

If you ever find out a way let me know. I'd love to keep this thread visible because of the actual news that gets posted by other people but that means putting up with it being inundated by that fucking child who the mods just let spread Russian propaganda and fearmongering bullshit nonstop. So that means putting the sealion on ignore and then just refreshing the home page once in a while until the Russian thread pops up as one of the recently replied-to threads.

I know someone came up with a way to block users with under 20 posts or whatever, I wonder if there is a way to change the code on that to apply to a specific user without it removing the thread.

[YUPPIE]

"Can one fault the non-Russians for being Russophobes? Can one fault the Balts, Poles, Georgians and Ukrainians, in particular, for hating Russia and damning it to hell? Not at all."

I can. That's where it is messed up. You can't just be paranoid or distrustful of everyone of an ethnicity like that.

[Calfredd]

"Can one fault the non-Russians for being Russophobes? Can one fault the Balts, Poles, Georgians and Ukrainians, in particular, for hating Russia and damning it to hell? Not at all."

I can. That's where it is messed up. You can't just be paranoid or distrustful of everyone of an ethnicity like that.

Go see a doctor, a therapist, and start attending AA.

[YUPPIE]

Go see a doctor, a therapist, and start attending AA.

was citing the article and replying to it. I'm not the one who wrote that quote.

[Calfredd]

was citing the article and replying to it. I'm not the one who wrote that quote.

I didn't say that just because of the quote; I meant that statement in general.

[Xyonai]

"Can one fault the non-Russians for being Russophobes? Can one fault the Balts, Poles, Georgians and Ukrainians, in particular, for hating Russia and damning it to hell? Not at all."

I can. That's where it is messed up. You can't just be paranoid or distrustful of everyone of an ethnicity like that.

I'm one of the last people who'd ever attempt to justify baseless, paranoid '-phobias' of ethnic or religious groups...

However: If you took a moment to read about how much the USSR Gutted, Buttfucked, and Plundered each and every single one of its Satellite nations for the entirety of its tenure then you'd begin to understand why the Baltic states don't have a favorable opinion of the Russian State.

Still fucked if they decide to go about persecuting ethnic Russians in their territories, but the distrust and hate towards Russia sn't all that unfounded when a lot of these atrocities are within living memory.

[Jastall]

Just stop engaging with him for pete's sake. He either seeks validation for his insanity or is a troll. It doesn't matter how many times you tell and show him he's blatantly wrong, he'll keep coming back with one shit take after the other. Stop feeding him, is all you can do.

[Gabriel]

"Can one fault the non-Russians for being Russophobes? Can one fault the Balts, Poles, Georgians and Ukrainians, in particular, for hating Russia and damning it to hell? Not at all."

I can. That's where it is messed up. You can't just be paranoid or distrustful of everyone of an ethnicity like that.

Being a Russians isn't an ethnicity tho. Russia isn't a monoculture.

[Slirith]

Just stop engaging with him for pete's sake. He either seeks validation for his insanity or is a troll. It doesn't matter how many times you tell and show him he's blatantly wrong, he'll keep coming back with one shit take after the other. Stop feeding him, is all you can do.

They won't listen sadly.

[Gabriel]

They won't listen sadly.

Not engaging trolls has never once worked in the history of anything.

[Kaleredar]

If you ever find out a way let me know. I'd love to keep this thread visible because of the actual news that gets posted by other people but that means putting up with it being inundated by that fucking child who the mods just let spread Russian propaganda and fearmongering bullshit nonstop. So that means putting the sealion on ignore and then just refreshing the home page once in a while until the Russian thread pops up as one of the recently replied-to threads.

I go to my own "quotes" section in my profile, find someone's response to something I posted in this thread, then skip to the most recent page.

[Nymrohd]

I'm one of the last people who'd ever attempt to justify baseless, paranoid '-phobias' of ethnic or religious groups...

However: If you took a moment to read about how much the USSR Gutted, Buttfucked, and Plundered each and every single one of its Satellite nations for the entirety of its tenure then you'd begin to understand why the Baltic states don't have a favorable opinion of the Russian State.

Still fucked if they decide to go about persecuting ethnic Russians in their territories, but the distrust and hate towards Russia sn't all that unfounded when a lot of these atrocities are within living memory.

Imo they should have done population exchanges. I am in no way saying ours was an amazing success, but I am not sure what the alternative could have been. And it is clear that not doing it has not really kept nationalism from being a major force both in Russia and the former soviet states.

[Gabriel]

Imo they should have done population exchanges. I am in no way saying ours was an amazing success, but I am not sure what the alternative could have been. And it is clear that not doing it has not really kept nationalism from being a major force both in Russia and the former soviet states.

I'm sorry, but what? I hope I just misunderstood what you are trying to say, but the entire Russian M.O. has always been to displace the original population of areas they conquer and either kill or ship the original inhabitants to Siberia.

[Nymrohd]

I'm sorry, but what? I hope I just misunderstood what you are trying to say, but the entire Russian M.O. has always been to displace the original population of areas they conquer and either kill or ship the original inhabitants to Siberia.

No I mean that when the former Soviet states left, they should have exchanged people who identified as ethnic Russian (send them into Russia) with people who identified as ethnically of the local state. Greece did it with Turkey after WWI and it was horrible and traumatic for everyone involved but given what happened to the populations we did not exchange, it was the better alternative.
The entire invasion hinged on the population identifying as Russian in the Ukraine and the reason the Baltics are afraid of something similar is that they also host Russian minorities.

[Gabriel]

No I mean that when the former Soviet states left, they should have exchanged people who identified as ethnic Russian (send them into Russia) with people who identified as ethnically of the local state. Greece did it with Turkey after WWI and it was horrible and traumatic for everyone involved but given what happened to the populations we did not exchange, it was the better alternative.
The entire invasion hinged on the population identifying as Russian in the Ukraine and the reason the Baltics are afraid of something similar is that they also host Russian minorities.

The problem with that is that it is very difficult to find anyone identifying as citizens of the local states because Russia genocides them either directly by killing them or by shipping them to Siberia and spreading them out so that they could not form communities based on their original culture.

[Nymrohd]

The problem with that is that it is very difficult to find anyone identifying as citizens of the local states because Russia genocides them either directly by killing them or by shipping them to Siberia and spreading them out so that they could not form communities based on their original culture.

You'd just have given Russia the chance to get rid of those people to a neighbouring country. It is more cost effective for them.
Ofc you can argue that the cruelty is the point. If they cared about being effective, the USSR's economy might not have collapsed.

[Gabriel]

You'd just have given Russia the chance to get rid of those people to a neighbouring country. It is more cost effective for them.
Ofc you can argue that the cruelty is the point. If they cared about being effective, the USSR's economy might not have collapsed.

A dead local citizen is a citizen that can't come back to you in the future to claim back their home.