Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Btw I wish you luck with your citizenship project!

Thanks.

Onneksi osan jo suomea, koska olen asunut Suomessa yli 12 vuotta. (En ole tyhmä ulkomaalainen joka asuu paikalla ilman oppia kieli)

But I still make mistakes and some things are just downright terrifying. It's the thought that counts and the effort. (I'm sure trying to do it in Swedish would be easier but alas, I am a stubborn fool.)

[Kallisto]

Yeah, I don't exactly expect to claim back the homes of any of my grandparents, all four of which moved to Greece in the exchange. Pretty sure Lausanne covered that.

Yeah, it pretty much did for any home still standing. Some places like my great grandfather's village was burned to the ground by the advancing Turks during that war.

[Gabriel]

Thanks.

Onneksi osan jo suomea, koska olen asunut Suomessa yli 12 vuotta. (En ole tyhmä ulkomaalainen joka asuu paikalla ilman oppia kieli)

But I still make mistakes and some things are just downright terrifying. It's the thought that counts and the effort. (I'm sure trying to do it in Swedish would be easier but alas, I am a stubborn fool.)

You would unironically be more ostracized if you tried to become a Swedish speaking Finnish citizen than if you didn't learn Finnish or Swedish at all and just spoke English everywhere.


Goddamn bättre folk... *shakes fist*

[Iphie]

You would unironically be more ostracized if you tried to become a Swedish speaking Finnish citizen than if you didn't learn Finnish or Swedish at all and just spoke English everywhere.


Goddamn bättre folk... *shakes fist*

Hey! I know the important sentences: papa betaler and Jag prater inte svenska.

But yeah I have to learn Swedish or I can't graduate university. Goddamn pakkoruotsi..

[Gabriel]

Hey! I know the important sentences: papa betaler and Jag prater inte svenska.

But yeah I have to learn Swedish or I can't graduate university. Goddamn pakkoruotsi..

Ahh, well, good luck with that. I struggled with my compulsory Swedish course in uni too.

[YUPPIE]

Joe Biden claims the probability Putin will use nuclear weapons is real and is frustrated that no one seems to take him seriously.

"When I was out here about two years ago saying I worried about the Colorado river drying up, everybody looked at me like I was crazy, Biden told a group of donors in California on Monday. They looked at me like that when I said I worry about Putin using tactical nuclear weapons. It's real, Biden said."
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President Joe Biden said on Monday the threat of Russian President Vladimir Putin using tactical nuclear weapons is "real", days after denouncing Russia's deployment of such weapons in Belarus.

On Saturday, Biden called Putin's announcement that Russia had deployed its first tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus "absolutely irresponsible".

The deployment is Russia's first move of such warheads - shorter-range, less powerful nuclear weapons that could be used on the battlefield - outside Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union.

The United States has said it has no intention of altering its stance on strategic nuclear weapons in response to the deployment but has not seen any signs yet that Russia is preparing to use a nuclear weapon.

The Russian deployment is being watched closely by the United States and its allies as well as by China.

[Shadowferal]

If Putin uses nukes then he not only acknowledges he lost Ukraine, but that he's willing to lose Russia as well.

[Cynical Asshole]

Well David Sacks isn't very confident that Ukraine is getting any work done, and Elon Musk agrees.

[Wilian]

Well David Sacks isn't very confident that Ukraine is getting any work done, and Elon Musk agrees.

Elon Musk also agreed that tanks are obsolote. That airhead agrees to anything that smells even slightly anti-Ukrainian.

[alach]

Well David Sacks isn't very confident that Ukraine is getting any work done, and Elon Musk agrees.

Counterpoint

But military analysts say there’s a reason that this latest counteroffensive is proceeding cautiously and that Kyiv has a strategy — that of probing for weaknesses along Russia’s long and deep defensive lines, and that larger-scale attacks are expected to follow.

“We will see the main punches of Ukrainian forces in the nearest future. The main goal right now is to cut and destroy the land bridge to Crimea [referring to a swathe of land in southern and eastern Ukraine connecting mainland Russia to Russian-occupied Crimea] and to then move forward. Ukraine has also some prospects to move forward in the Donbas region and to liberate Bakhmut even.”

“So we will see bigger attacks of Ukrainian forces in the near future, and also what’s very important is that Russians have used all their reserves that they have already, but Ukraine hasn’t,” he added.

RUSI’s Reynolds agreed, noting that “I think expectations were set very, very high ... and I think they were too high.”
“The risk is that the talk of the counteroffensive sets such unrealistic expectations that the Ukrainians are pressurised into taking operational risks, so I think perhaps a slow offensive is the smart thing to do.”

Also, make a deal with Russia not to join Nato in exchange for peace? Really? I would say open up a history book, but Russia breaking deals happens often and recently. Joining Nato is the only way Ukraine is safe in the future.

[Elder Millennial]

Well David Sacks isn't very confident that Ukraine is getting any work done, and Elon Musk agrees.

Everyone has an opinion, especially clueless billionaires with outsized platforms and massive echo chambers where all their dumb-ass ideas are treated like some god's gift to humanity.

[Edge-]

Well David Sacks isn't very confident that Ukraine is getting any work done, and Elon Musk agrees.

I too look to techbro VC's for my latest analysis of military conflict on the other side of the world.

rofl, what fuckin losers, who gives a shit what idiots like elom think

[Deus Mortis]

I too look to techbro VC's for my latest analysis of military conflict on the other side of the world.

rofl, what fuckin losers, who gives a shit what idiots like elom think

I hate celebrity worship. Like these people are not special, they are just another human being the same as any other. Seeing news feeds of what xx did or said constantly, like who gives a fuck.

[enigma77]

Because, honestly, no matter how you play this as
helping a country, Americans just want to afford gas, groceries and other day-to-day expenses.

If that gets disrupted and costs increased, they’ll be against it. And can you really blame them? We haven’t even recovered fully from COVID and now the US economy is getting doubled-fuck with this war.

It’s why, if Biden does lose, it will be for that reason. Americans, ultimately, just want to afford to live. The wars come second.

I'm sure Putin will stop after genociding and subjugating the Ukrainian people. And not cause even more trouble, which will have an even worse effect on the global economy. After all Hitler became a peace loving man after annexing the Sudetenland and Austria.

We already know the Baltics were planned to be invaded next. It's an open secret.

[The Stormbringer]

I mean, I get that this could happen, but you're not going to change the mind of people struggling to get by. It is what it is.

Those people are short-sighted and misinformed. Not only is the war in Ukraine barely costing us anything compared to our actual military spending, but letting Russia win would just prolong the global economic turmoil caused by the war. Surviving in the now is crucial, but surviving in the long term is also pretty damn important. Sacrificing the future to enjoy a slightly better present would be an incredibly bad move.

[Benggaul]

Hmm, what's this? Not the shrew spouting GOP talking points in yet another thread...

[ghotihook]

We're only human. And when we are struggling to afford to live, when our family and friends are barely getting by, you will always have people showing resistance to whatever suddenly set that scale off balance.

For the extreme majority, the Ukraine war is not the difference of barely getting by and being fine. The US spending which is massively more than any other country is still only 1% of military spending. And there is nothing to say that if we stop supporting Ukraine and Russia takes over it will solve economic issues. I actually laugh directly at people who think things will get better if we stop supporting Ukraine.

[Flarelaine]

Dr Seuss was also American.

[Milchshake]

Hmm, what's this? Not the shrew spouting GOP talking points in yet another thread...

Bingo, GOP voters or GOP non-voters announcing themselves.

Survey sez ....!



Amazing how this follows the contours of the partizan divide. In our 15th year of partizan politics.
This is white backlash to Dems-not-fixing-everything-in-2-years. They are premptivley fishing for excuses to support the GOP in the next cycle. Because they're: bored, disapointed in their life mid-life-crisis-but-online-version.

[Elder Millennial]

I mean, I get that this could happen, but you're not going to change the mind of people struggling to get by. It is what it is.

This conflict is not limited to Ukraine. The conflict is rooted in Russian imperialism. They have been testing and pushing international norms for a good 15 years. Escalating, step by step. The ultimate goal is to challenge NATO's article 5. If that happens one of two things will happen, a massive NATO retaliation and a massive global economic turmoil, (hopefully no nuclear exchange) the other being the collapse of NATO, the EU and by proxy the entire modern economic and political order. The financial turmoil then, would be absolutely off the charts. In either situations the outcome will make the fallout from this war look like child's play.

You're engaging in faux populism here. One either driven by genuine profound ignorance or by a malicious desire to actually see one of the above 2 outcomes.

And that's just the Russia dimension of this war, broadly ignoring what China's role would be in either of those scenarios.

Your position is dumb or malicious, fix it. It is what it is.