“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
One person converted 200 people over 30 years. Meanwhile you converted one person against you in a couple years. I wonder which way works better?
You do realize you can talk about different things with different friends right? I have friends I can talk games with, others personal things, and others work, etc... You have a weird idea of friendship if you feel the need to alienate one once you know something makes them uncomfortable.
I'm just going to refer you back to @Elegiac here:
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Last I recall, racism is still a problem regardless of Daryl Davis' actions.
There's also no evidence that the person being ostracized was "on the fence" about these issues. He was clearly already down the rabbit hole but didn't want to be honest about it lest he be kicked out of a friend group.
Do any of those friends support political movements that pose a direct risk to your wellbeing and safety? No? Then sit down.You do realize you can talk about different things with different friends right? I have friends I can talk games with, others personal things, and others work, etc...
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Where was there proof that he held different beliefs? Why the fuck would he hang out with people he hated? If I was racist/sexist/other I sure as shit wouldn't befriend people I didn't like.
Nothing has a garanteed sucess rate. Would you rather kill off all the maga people? Or try and convert enough that the ones who stay Maga don't have enough votes?
And thanks for proving me correct by the hostility of your actions. Even trying to label me as a bigot when all I did is point out people who did the opposite of you and got results while you continue to deny you turning a friend hostile.
Look how combative you both are. You seriously think you weren't being hostile in real life also?
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
The fact he immediately retreated to right wing talking points when confronted.
This is basically the "I can't be racist because I have a Black friend" argument in reverse. People are more than capable of believing multiple contradictory things, like that you can be friends with people whose identity you "disagree with" while simultaneously supporting political positions that directly endanger them.Why the fuck would he hang out with people he hated? If I was racist/sexist/other I sure as shit wouldn't befriend people I didn't like.
Neither?Nothing has a garanteed sucess rate. Would you rather kill off all the maga people? Or try and convert enough that the ones who stay Maga don't have enough votes?
"Convincing the bigots" has never been how any social reform movement has succeeded. Ever.
Yeah like compare this recent line of argument to how certain people have been banging on since Day 1 of the 3 Day Special Operation that if we do anything mean to Russia then that will just make them do more war crimes.
Civility and indifference are both vectors for the perpetuation of violence, when it comes down to it.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
You mean like how they were converting Russian soldiers to their cause?
You didn't state that originally. Yes he might have started right then but your actions didn't do aything but help spiral him even more down the rabbit hole.
And I'm sure those "I cant be racist" people constantly hang out with their "black friend" and its not just saying hello to a worker.
Except Daryl converted bigots and so did the Ukrainians. Literally got Russians killing their own people because they were shown they were wrong. But doesn't work
Ok This is my last post Mekh is right we are way off topic. Sorry I pointed out that Ukraine is trying to be nice to the Russian PoWs.
There's no indication he was being hounded.
Again, this is just you being ignorant as to how this sort of thing works.And I'm sure those "I cant be racist" people constantly hang out with their "black friend" and its not just saying hello to a worker.
And again; Russia is still invading Ukraine regardless of the latter converting a few vatniks by being nice.Except Daryl converted bigots and so did the Ukrainians. Literally got Russians killing their own people because they were shown they were wrong. But doesn't work![]()
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Relying on it as a primary strategy or the only strategy is not how Ukraine has held out this long. And in fact, if Russia did not treat its own troops so abysmally they would not be defecting regardless of how "nice" Ukraine was.
You're taking an incidental benefit and trying to generalize it into a moral axiom.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Inflation started far before the invasion. COVID did some damage, then the subsequent supply chain issues especially in 2021 really got things going, and now companies are figuring they can get away with hiking prices and blame it all on inflation too, while reaping record profits.
I'm talking North America mostly here. Europe is a different beast, and here the invasion itself didn't have a noticeable effect.
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Who said to rely on it as a primary/only strategy?
You're trying to deny results to justify hate/inaction. Thank god your not a Russian.
Are you saying you wanna kill all the maga people? That's not something you can really do to a bigot or someone ignorant.
Did I say that? Are you denying that there are Russians fighting for Ukraine? I never said don't kill. I pointed out how Ukrainians aren't stooping to the Russian level and showing them they aren't the Evil magical Nazi super soldiers Russia is telling them which is causing some to aid Ukraine.
It's related to the earlier convo between the two of us. We were way off topic. Yes I agree they are valid targets. I was saying Ukraine doesn't just try and kill them all but tries to get some to surrender and/or convert.