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    Allegedly fighting occured on the Rostov-Moscow highway and Wagner won, the National Guard fled.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...y_in_the_area/

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    I feel like we need to remember just how much misinformation and propaganda was spread early on especially, but will likely ramp back up with these events.

    Trust but verify, double check information, drink lots of water for all the heaping grains and piles of salt that we'll need to take with a lot of this informatoin.

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    This feels like a scenario you see in a comedy, where two idiotic villains start by calling each other names and then end up in a fight so that the hero can accomplish his goal.

    Doubt Prig has nay hopes of winning this one, but Ukrainian forces will at best use the help and at worst get a laugh out of this whole farce.
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    Go to bed now and have something exciting waiting for me when I wake up or stay up all night and keep refreshing reddit etc?

    Hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Go to bed now and have something exciting waiting for me when I wake up or stay up all night and keep refreshing reddit etc?

    Hmmm
    There is a 1000 kilometers between Rostov and Moscow.

    It will take at least half a day from now for real deal to begin and that is IF Wagner beeline to Moscow completely unopposed top speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    There is a 1000 kilometers between Rostov and Moscow.

    It will take at least half a day from now for real deal to begin and that is IF Wagner beeline to Moscow completely unopposed top speed.
    That's a good and insightful point, thank you and good night

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    That's a good and insightful point, thank you and good night
    Of course, at any point between now and then - Prigozhin or Putin or Shoigu may get popped. But barring any surprises, this will take time to play out.

    The biggest news (aside from assassinations) that may happen is army units joining Wagner or at least not opposing. There is a decent chance of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warning View Post
    How far away from internal Russian purges are we now I wonder? I believe it won't be long until the classic rhetoric of "we were betrayed from within" comes out as the only justification for Russia losing the war in Ukraine, and some of the high ranking Russian officials are going to be losing their heads.

    There is clear animosity between various groups of Russian forces. The Russian Ministry of Defense has tried to assume control of Wagner forces and been rebutted by its leader Prigozhin. At the same time Kadyrovs chechens are at odds with Wagner, and a Russian commander, who was recently humiliated by Wagner and forced to apologize for shooting at them is now claiming that Wagner sold out the Chechens and got them hit in the recent HIMARS strike that wounded one their leaders.

    Prigozhins Wagner has meanwhile backed out of the fighting and is openly giving interviews asking to be assigned to defend Belgorod, while also talking about paying Shoigu and Gerasimov a visit if they won't come down and get their hands dirty. It seems to me that he's either going to end up dead or in control of Russia, given that he's fairly popular and surprisingly levelheaded and pragmatic, for a murderous psychopath.
    Starting to feel like this wasn't too far off as far as predictions go. Lets see how this plays out.

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    Just to clarify, I didn't think it super likely that Zelensky would ally with Prig, more of a "Will he accept their surrender and give them lighter sentences for the shit they've pulled if they cooperate and hand over useful intel" sorta thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Just to clarify, I didn't think it super likely that Zelensky would ally with Prig, more of a "Will he accept their surrender and give them lighter sentences for the shit they've pulled if they cooperate and hand over useful intel" sorta thing.
    I think you're out counting chickens before they hatch.

    Prigozhin is a hardliner that loves getting his hands bloody, if you think he's going to overthrow Putin and go beg Zelensky for mercy, you're out of touch.

    Make no mistake, he's even worse than Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I think you're out counting chickens before they hatch.

    Prigozhin is a hardliner that loves getting his hands bloody, if you think he's going to overthrow Putin and go beg Zelensky for mercy, you're out of touch.

    Make no mistake, he's even worse than Putin.
    Eh? Nowhere did I say he'd overthrow Putin. I fully expect him to be running away soon.

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    Prig will likely pull out of Ukraine while trying to retain Crimea.

    Ukraine will want the full house, so this war will go on.
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    Well fuck me sideways. This night gonna be an interesting one.
    @Gabriel, I join you in the vigil with power of energy drinks.

    This is the power play I wanted to see, Russia crumbling from inside while Ukraine can push forward. And if Wagner has any hope of marching towards Moscow, Russia will need to withdraw their mobiks to defend ze Czar.

    Lots of wishful thinking here, but definitely I want to see the outcome.

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    Well this will be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Of course, at any point between now and then - Prigozhin or Putin or Shoigu may get popped. But barring any surprises, this will take time to play out.

    The biggest news (aside from assassinations) that may happen is army units joining Wagner or at least not opposing. There is a decent chance of that.
    There's already been reports of army units refusing to attack Wagner. If true then this is big

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I feel like we need to remember just how much misinformation and propaganda was spread early on especially, but will likely ramp back up with these events.

    Trust but verify, double check information, drink lots of water for all the heaping grains and piles of salt that we'll need to take with a lot of this informatoin.
    And for God's sake @YUPPIE, get more lube, you're gonna chafe yourself badly with how excited you're getting.
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    I took the evening off to play FF16 (it's fine so far, I seem utterly incapable of getting dodge and combo timing right though lol), took a break for dinner and scrolled my favorite news sources and I see that a fucking Coup is in the works.

    Man there are a lot of smug fucks from early in this thread I feel like being petty and tagging, but I think knowing they're seething silently at Russia falling apart under its own incompetence is enough for me.

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    This is not what I expected to wake up to. Of course russian propagandists are saying the troops and roadblocks in Moscow are not due to the Prig but for Ukrainian saboteurs.

    With russian army units reportedly refusing to go after Wagner, it'll be down to rosgvardia and they aren't suited to fighting actually soldiers. The common soldiers seem to have a lot more respect towards the Prig than the senior officers, which could make things interesting. 1917 ring a bell?

    On the downside, whoever wins still doesn't want the war to end.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The Prig is claiming that when they crossed the border they were embraced by the border security guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    On the downside, whoever wins still doesn't want the war to end.
    True, but one can hope the violent infighting, in addition to the Border Raids from those Ultra-nationalists, tie Russian command's hands enough that they can't respond as well to a Ukrainian breakthrough. For those of us who want Ukraine to win, the best we can hope for is that this coup attempt is drawn out for as long and as violently as possible.

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