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"Take us in, else we flood EU with immigrants"Originally Posted by Iphie
"Take us in, else we block Sweden from NATO"
10/10 diplomacy. Shouldn't he be busy with putting more of his opposition/journalists in jail? Elections are over, after all. He can stop pretending (also, where is that Turk nationalist guy from last year that claimed here that there is no way Erdo gonna win?).
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2023-07-10, 11:55 AM #32941Over 9000!
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Last edited by Makabreska; 2023-07-10 at 12:02 PM.
Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
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2023-07-10, 12:14 PM #32942The Lightbringer
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Yeah, I don't think Erdo actually thought this through, or maybe he never thought he'd end up in this situation... Originally Posted by Gabriel
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2023-07-10, 12:50 PM #32943Titan
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yeah... absolutely no way that present day Turkey is going to be allowed into the EU Originally Posted by Iphie
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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2023-07-10, 02:08 PM #32944Mechagnome
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Turkey can fuck right off. The turks hate us and everything we stand for. They just wanna leech off the economy and probably open the flood gates for even more illegal immigration. I'm fine with trading Turkey for Sweden in NATO. I would never defend Turkey from an outside attack anyway.
Alternatively, maybe it's time for the EU to become a true alliance as well with it's own military arm etc.. Even if I'm not terribly pro-EU then a close integration of all the EU militaries into a single entity is a good idea and kind of makes sense I think. It would probably give a much more efficient command structure and simplify logistics, instead of each country trying to maintain an army, navy and air force on their own.
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2023-07-10, 02:34 PM #32945Banned
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Aleksey Avramenko, Belarusian Minister of Transport and Communications and ally to Russian President Vladimir Putin, passed away suddenly this week under mysterious circumstances. The state news agency Belta confirmed Avramenko’s death but has not been able to report a cause.
This comes as the latest in a series of suspicious deaths amongst Putin’s associates, sparking speculation and concern amongst observers. Over the past year, over 40 significant Russian figures, including oligarchs, politicians, and generals, have died under unusual and often inexplicable circumstances.
Avramenko’s death followed closely after he was subjected to a series of sanctions relating to the controversial diversion of a plane carrying opposition journalist Roman Pratasevich in 2021. Additionally, his passing comes months after the similar mysterious death of Belarusian foreign minister Vladimir Makei, who had previously condemned Putin’s use of Belarus as a staging area for the ongoing war against Ukraine.
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2023-07-10, 03:37 PM #32946Over 9000!
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Pretty much. Sweden is more or less surrounded by NATO members and is a member of the EU. Not many people may know this but the EU has their version of Article 5 (Article 42(7)) and if Sweden is attacked in the current climate there's no way that article isn't being invoked. Originally Posted by Gabriel
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2023-07-10, 03:47 PM #32947The Lightbringer
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Mind you that article just says any actions deemed necessary, it does not exclude military action but a sternly worded letter would also satisfy the article. Originally Posted by Kallisto
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2023-07-10, 04:27 PM #32948Over 9000!
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Article 5 of NATO pretty much is any actions deemed necessary too. It doesn't mean rushing in militarily either. Originally Posted by Iphie
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2023-07-10, 05:26 PM #32949The Lightbringer
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Yes, but it explicitly states that an attack on one will be considered an attack on all, the EU article does not say that. In any case the US and the UK have said they would help Sweden if they would be subject to aggression during this process. Originally Posted by Kallisto
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2023-07-10, 05:33 PM #32950Banned
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It's expected of the EU to defend any members that are attacked by an outside enemy. Originally Posted by Iphie
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Sure. Because Turkey should not only be Putin's trojan horse in NATO, but also Putin's trojan horse in the EU, and start vetoing shit left and right at Erdogan's whim. Originally Posted by Iphie
Turkey is not even a team player in NATO, so why should we assume they would be a team player in the EU?
Nah. Turkey can wait until they prove they are going to dedicate themselves to the EU, and not play solo in a team, like Erdogan is doing now.Last edited by Cynical Asshole; 2023-07-10 at 05:35 PM.
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2023-07-10, 05:45 PM #32951Banned
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Why does everyone use the term/word "accuse" when it comes to Russia and war crimes? They clearly did these things, but "accuse" implies it's not fact.
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2023-07-10, 05:50 PM #32952Warchief
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It seems Gerasimov has been shuffled out of command and a guy with deep ties to Wagner has been put in command of the Ukraine operations.
Which is...weird. https://www.newsweek.com/did-putin-f...mutiny-1811877
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2023-07-10, 06:54 PM #32953The Lightbringer
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Nah, it just confirms that putin is no longer in charge. Originally Posted by Elder Millennial
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2023-07-10, 07:02 PM #32954Over 9000!
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Who is, then? Originally Posted by Iphie
Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
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2023-07-10, 07:15 PM #32955The Lightbringer
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the person in the window doing the pushing Originally Posted by Makabreska
"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
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2023-07-10, 07:22 PM #32956Over 9000!
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Ivan "The Defenestrator" Ivanovich Smirnoff??? Originally Posted by D Luniz
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2023-07-10, 08:02 PM #32957Herald of the Titans
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So Erdogan has agreed to let Sweden join after all.
CNN — NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday that Turkey has agreed to back Sweden’s bid to join the military alliance.
The announcement comes on the eve of NATO’s summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, and represents a stunning about-face from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who had earlier on Monday suggested Sweden could only join the alliance after his country is accepted into the European Union.
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2023-07-10, 08:03 PM #32958The Lightbringer
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I suspect putin shat his pants when prig came in and caved. Originally Posted by Makabreska
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2023-07-10, 08:03 PM #32959I am Murloc!
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Originally Posted by enigma77
lets gooo
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2023-07-10, 08:13 PM #32960Herald of the Titans
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I'll believe it when I see it. Originally Posted by enigma77
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