Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jonnysensible]

So Erdogan has agreed to let Sweden join after all.

lets gooo

[Gabriel]

So Erdogan has agreed to let Sweden join after all.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Elder Millennial]

So Erdogan has agreed to let Sweden join after all.

Something happened between Ankara and Moscow.

First the repatriation of the Azov commanders, now this.

[enigma77]

Something happened between Ankara and Moscow.

First the repatriation of the Azov commanders, now this.

I don't think it has anything to do with Russia per se. I think Erdogan has been pressured a lot by the West.

That and I think he sees the writing on the wall.

[zealo]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Government aligned MPs don't really act with autonomy in a country like what Turkey has become, if Erdogan tells them to do it they will.

[Elder Millennial]

I don't think it has anything to do with Russia per se. I think Erdogan has been pressured a lot by the West.

That and I think he sees the writing on the wall.

On Sweden, absolutely.

The Azov commanders, nah. That was definitely just a giant middle finger to Moscow. Especially as they didn't bother announcing it ahead of time, talking to the Russians or anything. Zelensky went to Turkey to meet Erdogan and they basically just sent them home with him. Ukraine probably lobbied to get them back, but no matter how you look at it, it was a "Fuck you" move towards Russia.

[Gabriel]

Government aligned MPs don't really act with autonomy in a country like what Turkey has become, if Erdogan tells them to do it they will.

And I'll believe it when the ink is dry. I've had enough with the shit Turkey tries to pull all the time.

[ringpriest]

I don't think it has anything to do with Russia per se. I think Erdogan has been pressured a lot by the West.

That and I think he sees the writing on the wall.

I have no unique knowledge her, but that these events (Azov repatriation, Sweden recognition) are happening in the wake of Prig's not-a-coup suggests to me that they may be connected. It's possible that Putin made promises Erdogan now judges worthless.

[rayvio]

Why does everyone use the term/word "accuse" when it comes to Russia and war crimes? They clearly did these things, but "accuse" implies it's not fact.

standard language with anything criminal. innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... I don't think the same slander/libel laws quite apply to international war crimes but people tend to still stick to the same language probably partly habit, partly tactful 'for arguments sake'

[Bakis]

It had to take a turkish election but Erdogan is pragmatic.
Turkeys economy is in shambles, badly pissing off multiple NATO members who badly need Sweden as an anchor/staging area if Russia would try something in the future in the Baltic area would mean disasterious alianation for Turkey seeking EU membership.

Guess he understood that the long term game could only be betting on the western powers. Which was obvious to anyone since the Finnish and Swedish application, then again "autocrats" are somewhat volatite..

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First 'independant and verified' analysis of Russian combat troops death is done. 50 000 dead.
Good while tragic, when will those people learn anything from their history.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...0342698cf6a409

[YUPPIE]

I know it's been understated, but has Ukraine kind of felt more aggressive towards its NATO application recently? It almost feels kind of entitled.

[Saradain]

I know it's been understated, but has Ukraine kind of felt more aggressive towards its NATO application recently? It almost feels kind of entitled.

For once, can you at least pretend you're not enjoying the war?`

Ukraine wanting to never be a target of genocide somehow makes them "entitled". Entitled to the right to live, in peace.

Wew lad, weapon supplies trickle in so slowly nazi russians get to genocide more civilians, I guess they just need to understand it's their place to die even more instead of wanting to be part of a defensive coalition that successfully has prevented all of its members being targets of aggression ever since joining

[YUPPIE]

For once, can you at least pretend you're not enjoying the war?`

Ukraine wanting to never be a target of genocide somehow makes them "entitled". Entitled to the right to live, in peace.

Wew lad, weapon supplies trickle in so slowly nazi russians get to genocide more civilians, I guess they just need to understand it's their place to die even more instead of wanting to be part of a defensive coalition that successfully has prevented all of its members being targets of aggression ever since joining

no, like really, they're making assertions they WILL be in NATO if you've been following the news. And it's not just Ukraine, but their allies as well echoing this sentiment.

It's not a "possibly join." It's now like it's GOING to happen.

[Saradain]

no, like really, they're making assertions they WILL be in NATO if you've been following the news. And it's not just Ukraine, but their allies as well echoing this sentiment.

It's not a "possibly join." It's now like it's GOING to happen.

Oh, it will happen once Russia is driven the fuck out of Ukraine, and they start integrating with the western world to cast off their Soviet-slavery legacy. It's about sending a message. No entitlement involved. Civilized world wants to live in peace, without Nazi Russia using them as cannon fodder or cannibalizing their national resources.

[Corvus]

First 'independant and verified' analysis of Russian combat troops death is done. 50 000 dead.
Good while tragic, when will those people learn anything from their history.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...0342698cf6a409

That figure doesn't count those conscripted from the occupied regions and nor does it count those listed as missing - and given the way russia tends to leave a lot of dead behind uncollected and lists them as missing so they don't have to list them as dead so they don't have to pay compensation, the real number will be a lot higher.

Heck, I think they are still listening those that went down on the Moskva as missing, not dead.

[Elder Millennial]

It had to take a turkish election but Erdogan is pragmatic.
Turkeys economy is in shambles, badly pissing off multiple NATO members who badly need Sweden as an anchor/staging area if Russia would try something in the future in the Baltic area would mean disasterious alianation for Turkey seeking EU membership.

Guess he understood that the long term game could only be betting on the western powers. Which was obvious to anyone since the Finnish and Swedish application, then again "autocrats" are somewhat volatite..

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First 'independant and verified' analysis of Russian combat troops death is done. 50 000 dead.
Good while tragic, when will those people learn anything from their history.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...0342698cf6a409

We still don't know how many Soviet soldiers died in the Winter War, or World War 2, or in Afghanistan. We have guesstimates of various accuracy.

I seriously doubt we will know just how many people died under the Russian flag for years to come, or ever. And by Russian flag I mean DNR and LNR conscripts, Wagnerites, Mobiks and Vatniks etc.

[Corvus]

A russian officer who commanded a sub that fired missiles at Kyiv and was deputy head of mobilisation has been shot dead on his morning run.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...624784905?s=20

It gets better - he posted his runs and routes on a running app, and which Ukraine's head of intelligence 'liked.' That's some top kek.

[Benggaul]

I know it's been understated, but has Ukraine kind of felt more aggressive towards its NATO application recently? It almost feels kind of entitled.

You have been on this "omg entitled!" bullshit since at least the beginning of the year now:

Has anyone noticed Zelenksy is vocally becoming more entitled lately?

Change the fucking record you absolute child.

[enigma77]

A russian officer who commanded a sub that fired missiles at Kyiv and was deputy head of mobilisation has been shot dead on his morning run.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...624784905?s=20

It gets better - he posted his runs and routes on a running app, and which Ukraine's head of intelligence 'liked.' That's some top kek.

Reminds me of that video from when the war started where that Ukrainian soldier says they're lucky that the Russians are so fucking stupid.

[Flarelaine]

A russian officer who commanded a sub that fired missiles at Kyiv and was deputy head of mobilisation has been shot dead on his morning run.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...624784905?s=20

It gets better - he posted his runs and routes on a running app, and which Ukraine's head of intelligence 'liked.' That's some top kek.

I think that app or something similar got banned on American bases abroad a few years back.