Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Lathspell]

the best outcome is ukraine winning the war and joining nato wtf u moaning about

The only way to stop Russia from attacking it's neighbours in the future is getting them ALL into NATO.

[jonnysensible]

looks like shenanigans around Oleshky are occuring

[Iphie]

The only way to stop Russia from attacking it's neighbours in the future is getting them ALL into NATO.

Hmm...some might be able to get under the Chinese fold, but yeah.

[Combatbutler]

Hmm...some might be able to get under the Chinese fold, but yeah.

The Russia China dynamics are bound to be interesting, in the coming years.

[Corvus]

The Russia China dynamics are bound to be interesting, in the coming years.

How do you spell vassal state?

[Combatbutler]

How do you spell vassal state?

The most likely possibility, but I wouldn't be surprised if they try to sponsor independent movements in pretty much every territory east of the Ural

[alach]

Zelensky's frustation aside, it looks like this Nato summit is working out well for them so far, besides the Sweden thing, France has promised to send some long range missiles and Germany announced another large military package including more patriots.

Of course, I am not in the business of telling anyone what they should or should not do with their money and purchase, especially when it comes to groceries, but I think its important people are made aware of some of these brands.

Shameful and unethical.’ Heineken, Unilever and Oreo maker Mondelez accused of breaking promises to leave Russia

https://boycottrussia.info/

[Corvus]

Zelensky's frustration is understandable - until Ukraine gets firm commitments and a timetable they are left vulnerable. The UK, the Baltics and the Eastern European states were all pushing to provide Ukraine that but the US and Germany were the reluctant ones, leaving Ukraine without any commitment beyond 'someday.' Which just incentives russia to keep going.

[alach]

Zelensky's frustration is understandable - until Ukraine gets firm commitments and a timetable they are left vulnerable. The UK, the Baltics and the Eastern European states were all pushing to provide Ukraine that but the US and Germany were the reluctant ones, leaving Ukraine without any commitment beyond 'someday.' Which just incentives russia to keep going.

I think its a tricky case, I mean they can't give him a timeline, because they will be able to join when the war is over, and no one can say when the war is over (except Putin), which is frustrating since its not definitive. I feel like they arent being direct with him about that as well, and adding other stipulations that seem more conditional to joining the European Union. Ukraine is more than ready to join Nato, has been for years, more ready than Bulgaria and Romania were. Just cant do it now, unfortuately.

[Iphie]

Zelensky's frustation aside, it looks like this Nato summit is working out well for them so far, besides the Sweden thing, France has promised to send some long range missiles and Germany announced another large military package including more patriots.

Of course, I am not in the business of telling anyone what they should or should not do with their money and purchase, especially when it comes to groceries, but I think its important people are made aware of some of these brands.

Shameful and unethical.’ Heineken, Unilever and Oreo maker Mondelez accused of breaking promises to leave Russia

https://boycottrussia.info/

I'm a bit on the fence with food and pharmaceutical companies, I mean yeah staying in Russia is bad but at the same time life saving meds shouldn't be subject to sanctions to I feel. Same with children's formula and diapers. Heineken though should not be there anymore.

(Gonna catch flack for this as it goes against the notion of sanctioning everything. Oh well.)

[Gorsameth]

I think its a tricky case, I mean they can't give him a timeline, because they will be able to join when the war is over, and no one can say when the war is over (except Putin), which is frustrating since its not definitive. I feel like they arent being direct with him about that as well, and adding other stipulations that seem more conditional to joining the European Union. Ukraine is more than ready to join Nato, has been for years, more ready than Bulgaria and Romania were. Just cant do it now, unfortuately.

There is no way Zelensky isn't entirely aware that Ukraine can't join NATO until the war is over and that because its uncertain when that happens, or in what matter, there is no way to give a time table in any sense.

But its also understandable that he really wishes this wasn't the case.

[YUPPIE]

A russian officer who commanded a sub that fired missiles at Kyiv and was deputy head of mobilisation has been shot dead on his morning run.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...624784905?s=20

It gets better - he posted his runs and routes on a running app, and which Ukraine's head of intelligence 'liked.' That's some top kek.

We need to follow up on this. This guy wasn't evidently murdered by his brethren, but the Ukrainians are making allusions to having assassinated him.

[Gabriel]

We need to follow up on this. This guy wasn't evidently murdered by his brethren, but the Ukrainians are making allusions to having assassinated him.

Good riddance.

[D Luniz]

Country that is under attack kills officer of nation that is currently attacking them?

sounds like normal warfare

[Joszef Kiprich]

Country that is under attack kills officer of nation that is currently attacking them?

sounds like normal warfare

Sounds awfully entitled by Zelensky

/s

[Nymrohd]

I'm a bit on the fence with food and pharmaceutical companies, I mean yeah staying in Russia is bad but at the same time life saving meds shouldn't be subject to sanctions to I feel. Same with children's formula and diapers. Heineken though should not be there anymore.

(Gonna catch flack for this as it goes against the notion of sanctioning everything. Oh well.)

Mondelez makes snacks. Heineken makes beer. Unilever makes ice cream, soaps, and detergents. Russians can live without them

Unilever had made their case clear. They have manufacturing and assets in Russia. They supposedly have limited their production as thin as they can but if they fully abandon the area, the state will just seize their assets and have them working under some Russian name. Which isn't exactly an excuse, McDonalds very much did exactly that.

[Iphie]

Mondelez makes snacks. Heineken makes beer. Unilever makes ice cream, soaps, and detergents. Russians can live without them

Unilever had made their case clear. They have manufacturing and assets in Russia. They supposedly have limited their production as thin as they can but if they fully abandon the area, the state will just seize their assets and have them working under some Russian name. Which isn't exactly an excuse, McDonalds very much did exactly that.

Then clearly my remarks do not concern them, except for the whole get the fook out of russia. (though I thought Unilever made baby formula)

[YUPPIE]

It hasn't been mentioned yet for some reason, but there is a NATO summit happening as I write this, in regards to Ukraine's application.

I'm surprised Putin didn't show up in some capacity to object. However, just before this happened, Russia launched attacks all over Ukraine civilian infastructure again.

[Edge-]

I'm surprised Putin didn't show up in some capacity to object.

Why are you surprised about this? Is Russia a member of NATO? Does Putin regularly show up to the meetings of an alliance his nation is not a part of? Has anyone seen him even, lately?

[YUPPIE]

Why are you surprised about this? Is Russia a member of NATO? Does Putin regularly show up to the meetings of an alliance his nation is not a part of? Has anyone seen him even, lately?

"in some capacity" doesn't have to mean physically; he can broadcast himself on camera.

Anyway, this is a big deal because Putin allegedly started this war to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. The possibility of it happening is his biggest red line. Unfortunately, Zelenksy has expressed anger at the complications of joining from this meeting now.