Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

It is a stupid fucking take. You can't just fly unannounced into a foreign country and gatecrash an invite only event with very serious security all the while said country is willing and able to execute an active arrest warrant on you.

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

[Corvus]

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

How? No one is going g to take the call.

[diller]

Zelensky's frustration is understandable - until Ukraine gets firm commitments and a timetable they are left vulnerable. The UK, the Baltics and the Eastern European states were all pushing to provide Ukraine that but the US and Germany were the reluctant ones, leaving Ukraine without any commitment beyond 'someday.' Which just incentives russia to keep going.

Not just those two countries, basically all of them except the east European ones.

The basics need to be in order first which is pretty much the same as joining the EU, they have to prove they are a proper democracy without corruption.

[DarkTZeratul]

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

Stop getting your knowledge of geopolitics from movies and TV shows.

[Edge-]

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

yo who's he gonna facetime?

what if they like...don't pick up? I'm pretty sure that's pretty easy to just like, leave him on read.

[Azadina]

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

You think that when your tinpot führer throws a skype call, everyone is supposed to drop what they're doing, bring out the stone tablets, and be ready to chisel his commandments on them? Only in your fantasy.

[Poopymonster]

again, he doesn't have to be there in person. Just use something like a facecam or a proxy/

Given your sourcing of things, when does Jack Bauer swoop in and set a record number of homicides in a single day?

[Gabriel]

Given your sourcing of things, when does Jack Bauer swoop in and set a record number of homicides in a single day?

Well he can't because of n00ks, duh.

[Sezerek]

Well he can't because of n00ks, duh.

wasnt one of the earlier seasons literally about a selfmade nuke?

[gondrin]

Listen, we've sent Ukraine what? Close to 200bln now worth of equipment (that we know off) right?
Have you heard the latest of the counter offensive? They nees more tanks, more missiles, more of everything because they either used it or got destroyed. We've all seen the leopard and Bradley columns burn right?

We've also all have seen huge military depots getting blown up. We've read about Ukraine needing more and more to continue the counter offensive. What does that mean exactly?

200bln is many many years of military budget for most countries in NATO (but 1/3rd for US). Countries are saying no to new requests because they just don't have enough to send
I can link you articles if you cant google.
Thats the definition of dilemilitarization. Slowly but surely we'll be forced to switch to a war footing if we want to keep up. If US wasn't involved in this war, it would be over by now. All the rest NATO countries just dont have the means to give and prolong the war so much.

I know that this make you a bit uncomfortable, but its the truth - what can you do about it (besides maybe cope)?

Man, I wonder where that $200bln number comes from. I mean, with everything sent to Ukraine from all sources(militarily, humanitarian and others) comes to a bit over $110bln.

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Given your sourcing of things, when does Jack Bauer swoop in and set a record number of homicides in a single day?

Nah, Steven Seagal is going to sit down and fight off the Russians. I mean, nearly all of his movies features some form of this.

[Poopymonster]

Nah, Steven Seagal is going to sit down and fight off the Russians. I mean, nearly all of his movies features some form of this.

Dude, catch up, he's one of them now.

[gondrin]

Dude, catch up, he's one of them now.

I know this. I just using his movie persona as the fighter of Russians. Now he is just the fat Russian fighter. Much like who they will have to recruit here soon because they are running out of able bodied people to actually send to the front line.

[alach]

I take issue with the media and administations putting dollar ammount on everything that is being sent to Ukraine, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think its completely honest and they do it just to simplify it all. I mean, it seems pretty difficult putting monetary value on old stockpile of weapons that have been sitting in store rooms going obsolete. Take the Uk stormshadows for instance, the cost of the weapon is listed at something like 2 million, however, the longer they sit in the warehouses the prices don't just reduce, it ends up costing the owner to dispose of them. Pretty much everything Ukraine has recieved so far has been hand me downs.
If they start asking for F-35s, Apaches and Ghostriders, then I can imagine some taxpayers getting upset.

Anyways, heres some interesting news.

Ukraine Is Winning The Artillery War—By Destroying Four Russian Howitzers for Every Howitzer It Loses

Ukrainian losses are slightly higher at around 170, which should come as no surprise. A defending army enjoys an advantage over an attacking army, as the former can dig in while the latter often must advance across open terrain.

Artillery losses have not been equal. Observers have counted 32 wrecked howitzers and rocket-launchers on the Russian side, but only eight on the Ukrainian side. It seems the Russians are losing four big guns for every one big gun the Ukrainians are losing.

Scale and context matter. Having begun the wider war with around 5,000 howitzers and rocket-launchers—three times what the Ukrainians had—the Russians had more artillery to lose.

All that is to say that, on June 4—the first day of Ukraine’s counteroffensive—Kyiv on paper had no fewer than 2,500 big guns and launchers. Moscow had around 4,500. And over the following weeks, the Ukrainians steadily chipped away at this advantage by destroying four times as many Russian howitzers and launchers as the Russians have destroyed Ukrainian howitzers and launchers.

Oh, and we might be hearing some news about F-16 transfer in the next couple hours.

[YUPPIE]

NATO would not ignore an enraged Putin if he phones on the heels of a serious matter like Ukraine officially joining them.

But that aside, not much happened from the conference. Ukraine isn't joining until the war is over, but a lot can happen before then.

[Edge-]

NATO would not ignore an enraged Putin if he phones on the heels of a serious matter like Ukraine officially joining them.

But that aside, not much happened from the conference. Ukraine isn't joining until the war is over, but a lot can happen before then.

yes they would rofl, they'd leave that shot on read and ghost his ass

what's he gonna do about it, draw another red line? sink another russian ship? bomb his own mercenaries again? pardon the guy who almost overthrew his government and then let the guy re-enter the country, again?

[Gaidax]

Russia has a representative in NATO for the communication purposes and this communication happens behind the scenes. There are proper channels for these things and much of everything is happening via these back channels.

After all if NATO would deploy X units of Y on some border, they'd inform Russia that it's not some invasion and Russia is likely does the same - all within limits of reason as far as state secrets go.

Putin or anyone else, for that matter, do not need to call anyone.

[YUPPIE]

what's he gonna do about it

There's an insane gap between bluffing over ultimately trivial things like Ukraine seizing unrecognized Russian annexed lands, and Ukraine formally joining NATO (thus placing them under its protection).

You know what he will do without a doubt should that come to pass.

[Edge-]

There's an insane gap between bluffing over ultimately trivial things like Ukraine seizing unrecognized Russian annexed lands, and Ukraine formally joining NATO (thus placing them under its protection).

You know what he will do without a doubt should that come to pass.

what's he gonna do about it though? throw a few more waves of convicts into the grinder to get mowed down? cry about it after Ukraine joins and they benefit from Article 5?

What will he do, YUPPIE?

[ghotihook]

what's he gonna do about it though? throw a few more waves of convicts into the grinder to get mowed down? cry about it after Ukraine joins and they benefit from Article 5?

What will he do, YUPPIE?

You know his answer...it rhymes with dukes.

[Gaidax]

Ukraine won't be joining NATO any time soon, because NATO members are not actively looking for war on their hands.

Biden pretty much said so, as far as I remember. Ukraine will be in NATO only after this war is actually ended and it will take a few years at least, as far as I believe.

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Also, there won't be any n00ks.