Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jonnysensible]

Not only are they fighting ahead of it, they launch constant meat waves as counter attacks - it's russian doctrine. It doesn't make sense but it's what they do.

It's part of the reason things ate going slow. Ukraine doesn't need to attack the lines heavily when russia keeps coming to them on the open.

wait im not seeing any of this its all trench storming videos in the south and static positions getting wrecked around bakhmut (which is a stupid place to defend as the ukranians found out).

all half smart armies doctrine is to counter attack when assaulted.

The Russians have adapted and learnt their lessons just as the Ukranians have, this is really going to be whos reserves run out first.

[Kaleredar]

The video game comparison is apt. Russia is literally turtling until, hopefully for them, Western support and Ukrainian manpower dries up and they're forced to the negotiating table so that Russia gets to keep Crimea and, perhaps, the parts of the Donbass they want. Will it work? Depends on said Western support and if the Ukrainians can understand this and play the long game by not throwing away their resources and experienced army as well.

This supposes that Russia has infinite time and resources to just hold out. But they don't. They've had logistical, resource, and morale issues since they started the war, and the government situation in Russia has only shown signs of degradation as various military officials either turn on Putin, get thrown out of windows, or... you know, stage coups. Nothing points to a stable situation in Russia, and that's letting alone the economic downspiral they've set themselves in that will beleaguer them for at least a decade to come.

Western reliance upon Russian resources becomes less and less as time goes on as Europe wisely moves towards energy independence from Russian sources, and I see absolutely no reason for them to consider reversing that course now that they've begun in that direction. The US' contributions to the Ukrainian war effort is basically a rounding error on their military budget. The only threat to that continuing are the Russian shill pundits and talking heads trying desperately to clear their Russian paychecks and/or steal political good will away from Biden's public image of helping kick Russia's ass. If the US gets four more years of Biden, and God Almighty willing they do, I don't see any reason for that to materially change course, and I have serious doubt that Russia has the infrastructure, stability, economy, or morale to drag this war out for five more years in a meaningful way, as they've barely limped along through the last year and a half.

[alach]

12 hours ago - 47°26′N 35°52′E
Deputy minister of defense of Ukraine: Ukrainian forces have breached the 1st Russian line of defense of in the south

Heres hoping they can get to Tokmak within a day or two, they can really impact the Russian defense from there.

[jonnysensible]

Heres hoping they can get to Tokmak within a day or two, they can really impact the Russian defense from there.

pretty decent tbh this is what it vaguely looks like around there :




sry for big image spam

im sure there must be maxar photos of the defenses as well but i cant find them atm

[Deus Mortis]

Footage of the attack on the cargo ship, looks to be the same as the landing ship and done by remote boat with explosives.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...one_boat_with/

[Forogil]

Fair enough, you raise several points, allow me to answer.

1) yes, mine clearing equipment exists and would make quick work of those mines. Ukraine only has a limited amount of these though, and they have the be very careful about their deployment because Russia holds air superiority.

Russia still doesn't hold air superiority (except for some occupied territories); that's one of the most baffling things in this war.
(It's contested air space.)

I agree that mine clearing is complicated, and adding to that both sides have the possibility to deploy mines remotely as well - including during an attack; so even if you clear a mine-field (under fire) you might get fresh mines when you try to advance (or retreat).

Both Russia and Ukraine have used that tactic: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...-from-the-air/

2) the reason ukraine “hyped” their offensive is mostly because they need to drive the momentum of western aid. In reality the counteroffensive isn’t going much slower than the WW2 D-day offensive, but we westerners are much more ready to see our tax money flow towards ukrainian military aid if we expect a war movie like result.

Pretty much for the government of Ukraine. When others report it's also a matter of getting views; "All Quiet on the Eastern and Southern Front" wouldn't sell.

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Excuse me but Ukraine not having a proper air force is almost suicide isn't it? I'm pretty sure I read a bunch of battles where even few planes made all the difference and US strategy also relies on getting air superiority quickly.

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Additionally, both Russia and Ukraine have heavy air defenses (based on the Soviet legacy; and Ukraine has gotten newer western ones as well) so it will be hard for either side to gain air superiority.

Shouldn't the west give them some planes too? why starting this while not being properly equipped?

At least tens of Soviet-style planes have been sent to Ukraine - for use as is or for parts, but there's limited supply in the west (for obvious reasons). Switching to western planes would be good - but it takes time to train the pilots (the training is started) - and Ukraine doesn't want Russia to dig in and freeze the current borders for a few years repeating history.

It's not like the Matrix where you just download the instructions in a few seconds.
Clearly it would have been better if western countries had been faster with planes.

[YUPPIE]

I'm incredibly disturbed by Ukraine trying to foster strengthened relations with Saudi Arabia in light of Russia threatening the global food supply recently.

Zelenksy was even showing shaking hands with MBS (yes, that MBS) himself today.

Saudi Arabia has kicked off a weekend summit in Jeddah, in which senior officials from some 40 countries – but not Russia – will aim to draft key principles on how to end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday welcomed the wide range of countries represented in the talks that began on Saturday, including developing countries hit hard by the surge in food prices triggered by the war.

[PosPosPos]

I'm incredibly disturbed by Ukraine trying to foster strengthened relations with Saudi Arabia in light of Russia threatening the global food supply recently.

Zelenksy was even showing shaking hands with MBS (yes, that MBS) himself today.

Saudi Arabia has kicked off a weekend summit in Jeddah, in which senior officials from some 40 countries – but not Russia – will aim to draft key principles on how to end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday welcomed the wide range of countries represented in the talks that began on Saturday, including developing countries hit hard by the surge in food prices triggered by the war.

Oh noes, Ukraine might have non-hostile relations with a nation that isn't invading their country.

Such a shock and travesty....to certain compromised Russian mouthpieces upset that things aren't going well for their invasion of Ukraine.

[Kaleredar]

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Pretty sure Russia went to war with an army they didn't have.

[YUPPIE]

Belarus has attacked Ukraine directly

At 18:37, Air Force reported that cruise missiles entered the airspace over Kyiv Oblast. At 18:45, the missiles reached Vinnytsia Oblast. At 18:55, they reached Khmelnytskyi Oblast.

Later, the Air Forces reported that Russian troops launched Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles on Ukraine from the Russian city of Tambov and cruise missiles from Belarus.

[diller]

I'm incredibly disturbed by Ukraine trying to foster strengthened relations with Saudi Arabia in light of Russia threatening the global food supply recently.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

[ringpriest]

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Needs a bigger potato ration. Russia is capitalist now. Citizens must work hard, or no potato!

[Calfredd]

Needs a bigger potato ration. Russia is capitalist now. Citizens must work hard, or no potato!

Nah he was freaking out about China and North Korea before he picked Russia this time.

[Corvus]

In no surprise, russias military budget has blown out. They spent more in the first 6 months than had been budgeted for the entire year, leading to large budget deficits.

[Iphie]

Belarus has attacked Ukraine directly

At 18:37, Air Force reported that cruise missiles entered the airspace over Kyiv Oblast. At 18:45, the missiles reached Vinnytsia Oblast. At 18:55, they reached Khmelnytskyi Oblast.

Later, the Air Forces reported that Russian troops launched Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles on Ukraine from the Russian city of Tambov and cruise missiles from Belarus.

edit: missed the last sentence.

Still not Belarus that's doing the attacking.

[Kaleredar]

In no surprise, russias military budget has blown out. They spent more in the first 6 months than had been budgeted for the entire year, leading to large budget deficits.

Well I mean, do they factor in the important "embezzlement" quotient into their initial budgeting? You'd think they'd have learned to allow for that.

[YUPPIE]

Oh noes, Ukraine might have non-hostile relations with a nation that isn't invading their country.

No one is oblivious to the horrors Saudi Arabia propagates. Also, they do double-dealing with Russia against Ukraine.

I'm guessing they're just being pragmatic about the food crisis Russia instigated. Still, Zelenksy shaking hands with MBS is revolting sorry. This is a man always going on about freedom and the evils of tyranny against Russia. It just screams hypocrisy.

[Fuiking]

No one is oblivious to the horrors Saudi Arabia propagates. Also, they do double-dealing with Russia against Ukraine.

I'm guessing they're just being pragmatic about the food crisis Russia instigated. Still, Zelenksy shaking hands with MBS is revolting sorry. This is a man always going on about freedom and the evils of tyranny against Russia. It just screams hypocrisy.

You got no clue about geopolitics do you?

[PosPosPos]

No one is oblivious to the horrors Saudi Arabia propagates. Also, they do double-dealing with Russia against Ukraine.

I'm guessing they're just being pragmatic about the food crisis Russia instigated. Still, Zelenksy shaking hands with MBS is revolting sorry. This is a man always going on about freedom and the evils of tyranny against Russia. It just screams hypocrisy.

So I guess it shouldn't be a problem for you, unless you are jealous Russia's allies are buddy-buddy with Ukraine.

[Kallisto]

No one is oblivious to the horrors Saudi Arabia propagates. Also, they do double-dealing with Russia against Ukraine.

I'm guessing they're just being pragmatic about the food crisis Russia instigated. Still, Zelenksy shaking hands with MBS is revolting sorry. This is a man always going on about freedom and the evils of tyranny against Russia. It just screams hypocrisy.

Log the fuck off and go back to school you pathetic child. You need to learn international diplomacy.