Russian invasion of Ukraine

[diller]

NATO said

NO, some Norwegian guy said it, he wasn't speaking on behalf of NATO.

[Edge-]

Ooo! OOOO! BINGO! Warcrime bingo! (I know I'm late to the party...)

How many does this bring them up to?

Add another for, "The long list of examples of why Russia as a nation is basically wholly untrustworthy."

[The Stormbringer]

And at the same time they deliberately target anything with a red cross.

Well yeah, because they believe everyone has to be as corrupt as them, and that everyone else does the same thing. When in reality... they're the only ones doing it.

[Masark]

The ruble is not collapsing. The ruble is conducting a special currency exchange operation.

The ruble is acquiring a second B.

[Iphie]

How many does this bring them up to?

Add another for, "The long list of examples of why Russia as a nation is basically wholly untrustworthy."

Too many. These... people ... really look at the Geneva conventions as a checklist.

[zealo]

How many does this bring them up to?

Add another for, "The long list of examples of why Russia as a nation is basically wholly untrustworthy."

Would probably be easier to try to list the war crimes they haven't done at this point, if there are any left.

[Relapses]

Would probably be easier to try to list the war crimes they haven't done at this point, if there are any left.

Despite their best efforts, they have yet to start a nuclear war.

(I swear I'm not a tankie.)

[Saradain]

Despite their best efforts, they have yet to start a nuclear war.

(I swear I'm not a tankie.)

Starting a nuclear war is not a war crime in itself (or is it?)...But if one starts, just wait for them to do something of a war crime on civilians

EDIT: KEK, it actually is considered one. Carry on sir. Slight brainfart during this hot summer night...

https://www.icanw.org/icc_and_nuclear_weapons

Given the immense and indiscriminate destructive power of nuclear weapons and their wide-ranging catastrophic humanitarian consequences, the use of nuclear weapons would constitute a war crime under several of the provisions outlined in the Rome Statute.

[Forogil]

Despite their best efforts, they have yet to start a nuclear war.

Obviously since that's not a clear war-crime, and thus not on their list!

Hm... But looking through the list of war crimes the seem to tick most boxes - except for using child soldiers (hoping I'm not giving Putin any ideas), misusing flag and/or uniform of the enemy, and possibly using poison weapons.

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EDIT: KEK, it actually is considered one. Carry on sir. Slight brainfart during this hot summer night...

https://www.icanw.org/icc_and_nuclear_weapons

That's debatable.

TPNW isn't signed by Russia, Ukraine, China or NATO countries, and ICAN's legal analysis of the Rome statue isn't unchallenged (obviously it would depend on the target - and I would prefer if the legality wasn't tested). ICAN also claims that cluster munition and land mines are banned on their site - both Russia and Ukraine are using them extensively, and they are normally not listed among the war-crimes investigated in this war (there are enough of the usual kind).

Addition: Sweden and Moldova (west of Ukraine) voted in favor of TPNW (banning nuclear weapons) in the UN - but for some reason changed their mind and haven't ratified it. The problem with making everything a war-crime is that it muddles the water, and make it seem as if everyone commits war-crimes.

[jonnysensible]

lol @ combat kilt fucking bam

[Kaleredar]

Well yeah, because they believe everyone has to be as corrupt as them, and that everyone else does the same thing. When in reality... they're the only ones doing it.

Probably more of a “intentionally attacking enemy medical aid vehicles while expecting their own medical-labeled vehicles not to be attacked because they view the convention of not attacking medics as a weakness to be exploited.”

[Corvus]

Obviously since that's not a clear war-crime, and thus not on their list!

Hm... But looking through the list of war crimes the seem to tick most boxes - except for using child soldiers (hoping I'm not giving Putin any ideas), misusing flag and/or uniform of the enemy, and possibly using poison weapons.

You could probably tick those off too.

Child soldiers? Some of those taken prisoner have looked very young, though that isn't exact proof. Given russia's desperate need for bodies, I doubt russian recruiting officers would look too hard at a volunteers age if a kid did decide to fight, and if kid got force conscripted in the occupied regions, who are they going to complain too? They are heavily indoctrinating their youth back in russia and using them in the manufacture of war goods though.

Misusing uniforms? They have been caught out doing that on numerous occasions, so that is a definite.

Poison weapons? They have fired tear gas rounds, and other similar gases on Ukrainian positions. I think that may also be included, though I'm not positive.

[YUPPIE]

one of russia's top generals who was dismissed a few months ago, Gennady Zhidko, has been killed by Putin.

[Corvus]

He died, reportedly after a long illness. Nothing to do with pootie.

We are talking a country here with a shockingly low life expectancy for males.

[Iphie]

Poison weapons? They have fired tear gas rounds, and other similar gases on Ukrainian positions. I think that may also be included, though I'm not positive.

Technically... It's one of the great ironies that using tear gas is a war crime when used during a war yet police can use it indiscriminately on civilians.

[Flarelaine]

There was a discussion in this thread not so long ago about de-mining Ukraine after the Russians.

Here is the Ukrainian approach.

[Shadowferal]

Russia confirms it hit Swedish plant in Lutsk, saying it was a military target

The Russian Embassy in Sweden, in a rude comment, confirmed the strike on the Swedish company SKF’s plant in Lutsk on the night of 14-15 August, saying that it is a legitimate military target.

That explains the US F-16s moving in.

[Corvus]

According to russia schools and hospitals are also military targets.

[Ulmita]

There is no realistic path to victory for Ukraine (unless NATO gets directly involved). It's time for this war to end. Start the negotiations already.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/...y-over-russia/

[Gabriel]

There is no realistic path to victory for Ukraine (unless NATO gets directly involved). It's time for this war to end. Start the negotiations already.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/...y-over-russia/

No. That isn't up to you or me or anyone of us here. It is up to the Ukrainians how far they are willing to go.