1. #33881
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    There is no realistic path to victory for Ukraine (unless NATO gets directly involved). It's time for this war to end. Start the negotiations already.

    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/...y-over-russia/
    Wow That is a good bit of propagana that blames Ukraine/West for the continued conflict. It doesnt quite say what Russia wants from Ukraine at "the table".

    Unfortunately it is not a country that you sit down with an negotiate, we have seen this from multiple different Russian conflicts, even if they end up negotiating, Russia will do everything it can afterwards to install puppet governments essentially going against any pact they made.

    Doesnt quite talk about the path to victory via the Russian population.

    But then looking at your comments your agenda is quite clear.

  2. #33882
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    There is no realistic path to victory for Ukraine (unless NATO gets directly involved). It's time for this war to end. Start the negotiations already.

    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/...y-over-russia/
    Yes! It's time for Nazi Russia to fuck off from Ukraine, including Crimea.

    No? Ukraine needs to give up its land/stop "provoking" Russia by wanting to join a defensive coalition that has guaranteed safety for all of its existence for all of its members? Or wanting to push better relations with the civilized world ie the west?

    Welcome back, Ulmita, is it time for another hurling of hot takes, then fleeing until more of your kind post here so you can throw your one-liner support for the propaganda?
    Last edited by Saradain; 2023-08-17 at 11:17 AM.

  3. #33883
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Russia has still not mobilised, the economy is not on a clear war footing, and it still seems unclear whether it is even a war or a "special military operation". Seeing Russia conduct an existential war (for Russia as a "great power") as a limited war is interesting.
    They are trying to mobilise and move to a war footing on the sly in hope that people don't notice. They may have announced mobilisation ended after the first large one but it hasn't - it just goes on in smaller but more frequent numbers. And military spending is chewing up a bigger and bigger part of their budget with each passing day. russia of course hides the numbers but some estimates put it as high as half their budget.

    Its all being done so as to not worry those living in Moscow and St Petersburg. They need to keep them insulated from the war and untouched by it. Sooner or later the faltering economy and need for more bodies are going to come home to those two cities though.

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    good to see easo and ultima come back when they think the war is turning on ukraine.

    be surprised if this war ends with the next 3 years. Long way to go yet boys.

  5. #33885
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    good to see easo and ultima come back when they think the war is turning on ukraine.

    be surprised if this war ends with the next 3 years. Long way to go yet boys.
    The famous "fog of war" finally cleared. But is Easo still denying Bucha, I wonder? The plot thickens.

    The increased activity of certain posters here and elsewhere must mean something positive is happening. Not that I'd raise a youtube channel as the most reputable sources of information, but on my Youtube feed I started to see more and more positive video titles the past few days...

    YouTube channel in question being called "Reporting from Ukraine".

  6. #33886
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    good to see easo and ultima come back when they think the war is turning on ukraine.

    be surprised if this war ends with the next 3 years. Long way to go yet boys.
    I usually come back when i renew my subscription But yeah, as I keep saying, this war was over since our "leaders" refused (and still are) to send Ukraine what it needed from the very start. There is no turning anything, it's a done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Others shouldn't try.
    You misinterpret my words, what I am saying is: others can try to be neutral grounds for talks, or pressure russia to come to the table. I'm NOT saying that others should talk about plans without Ukraine present.

    But you really would have known this if you would have read the entire sentence, not just the highlighted part.

  8. #33888
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    There is no realistic path to victory for Ukraine (unless NATO gets directly involved). It's time for this war to end. Start the negotiations already.

    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/...y-over-russia/
    Quick question: do you think Ukraine is a sovereign nation with the right to decide its own fate?

  9. #33889
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Quick question: do you think Ukraine is a sovereign nation with the right to decide its own fate?
    Definitely. However, this war is only possible because of the Western money. Alone, the war would have ended in less than a month.

    There is no scenario under Ukraine can displace a well dig in Russia without direct western involvement. West needs to either go all in, or start negotiating.


    Edit: This is what I am referring to: https://twitter.com/clashreport/stat...058083128?s=19

    No F16s for now.... F16s should have been delivered months now, not next year... We send them to counteroffense with 0 air support and no artillery superiority. It's f$cking criminal....
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    There's no real reason for the west to stop supporting Ukraine even if they think they'll not be able to recapture their lost territories and that it'll end in a korean style frozen war eventually.

    The western world is currently getting an absolute bargain deal on the disintegration of the military capacity of one of the few realistic threats to it's own security and interests, and that is worth paying for.

  11. #33891
    Russia appears to be down 2 more ka52 helicopters today - russian channels have confirmed one, with 1 of the 2crew dead.

    Oryx has 40 as confirmed lost visually, so the real number will be higher. Given russia only had 130 or so in service they may have lost half their fleet already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    There's no real reason for the west to stop supporting Ukraine even if they think they'll not be able to recapture their lost territories and that it'll end in a korean style frozen war eventually.

    The western world is currently getting an absolute bargain deal on the disintegration of the military capacity of one of the few realistic threats to it's own security and interests, and that is worth paying for.
    I was going to say something similar to this. It's the best spent military money for almost 80 years.

  13. #33893
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia appears to be down 2 more ka52 helicopters today - russian channels have confirmed one, with 1 of the 2crew dead.

    Oryx has 40 as confirmed lost visually, so the real number will be higher. Given russia only had 130 or so in service they may have lost half their fleet already.
    It's this kind of thing that's why the Russia simps are starting to come out and demand negotiations. They may have mined the place to hell and back, but they are running out of material to properly prosecute this war. And their economy is starting to come apart at the seams supporting it. There is only one side desperate to try and lock in the current position at the negotiating table. Especially bearing in mind that they'd renege on any deal when it best suits them.

    There is zero reason for Ukraine to give up at this point. Their position in the war (and consequently their position in negotiations) is only going to get stronger from here on.
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  14. #33894
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Definitely. However, this war is only possible because of the Western money. Alone, the war would have ended in less than a month.

    There is no scenario under Ukraine can displace a well dig in Russia without direct western involvement. West needs to either go all in, or start negotiating.
    So no friends allowed or what, might makes right and if ruSSia wants some land everyone just let them grab it?

    Also what does "the west" have to negotiate?

  15. #33895
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    You misinterpret my words, what I am saying is: others can try to be neutral grounds for talks, or pressure russia to come to the table. I'm NOT saying that others should talk about plans without Ukraine present.

    But you really would have known this if you would have read the entire sentence, not just the highlighted part.
    I know what you mean. I'm just being blunt on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    So no friends allowed or what, might makes right and if ruSSia wants some land everyone just let them grab it?

    Also what does "the west" have to negotiate?
    The west has the weapons and funds that keep the war going. Simple as this.
    My guess is that once this "famous counteroffensive" ends (in complete failure) there will be negotiations.

    The public opinion in EU is changing rapidly.
    https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Tyson_/...105042264?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    The west has the weapons and funds that keep the war going. Simple as this.
    My guess is that once this "famous counteroffensive" ends (in complete failure) there will be negotiations.

    The public opinion in EU is changing rapidly.
    https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Tyson_/...105042264?s=19
    She seems unbiased...

  18. #33898
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    She seems unbiased...
    Read her account description.

    Realist, Optimist, Entrepreneur & Multipolar Curious. Global liquidity plumber (triparty repo, FX & optimisation). Former central banker & markets supervisor.
    Also seems to be anti-Biden and imagines that USA is about to invade Iran to seize all oil fields.

    Yeah...Let's not go there

    Not to mention how Russia literally pays dumb people in Germany to attend anti-West/pro-Russia rallies...

    Even better, more trolling from the said Twitterist:

    The Prigozhin videos from earlier this month about running out of ammo, shooting deserting Russians, calling out the Kremlin, etc. will be studied in military colleges for decades to come as a masterclass in battlefield psyops.
    He lured Kiev’s forces to the Bakhmut trap, killed their generals, and forestalled any counteroffensive.
    God, just reading her tweets and I could edit this post all day long to determine that yeah, Ulmita likes reading entirely Russia-sided information
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    There won't be any negotiations until Ukraine, at the very least, achieves a major victory.

    I think there is no shot Ukraine can take Crimea by force and that one for sure will have to be negotiated, the rest is a fair game.

    It is pretty clear that both sides are preparing for a war of attrition, and I don't really know who will manage to win that one in the end. Both West and Russia can do it all day.

    The biggest issue of Ukraine is that it has no viable Air Force whatsoever left and West is very reluctant to assist on that part. Without that - directly storming Russian positions amounts to sending people to die.

    In my opinion the most viable path in this case is keep amassing losses on Russia to fire up public discontent from within, but it will take year(s) and Russia does learn and adapt, so it's not going to be as easy as before.

  20. #33900
    https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Tyson_/...19473987354624

    The war in Ukraine is an attempt to weaken Russia so that a war against China has better odds, perpetuating US hegemony. He also sees that monetary excesses and sanctions necessitate a new financial paradigm.
    More goods from this trusted source of Ulmita. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 to weaken itself???
    Last edited by Saradain; 2023-08-17 at 04:25 PM.

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