Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

I sense either something shot them down, or sabotage.

Yeah, I mean it's just falling from the sky not streaking across it. (uit de lucht dwarrelen)

[Biglog]

I'm just so confused because like...

Wasn't Wagner in a good position to execute their coup? And then they just...stopped? Did Prig and the rest of them expect any other outcome from this?

I know we're talking about Russia and all but I cannot follow a single lick of the logic in this. Or I'm missing some bits of key context.

Well they were stopped by Russian loyalist troops on the way to Moscow and realized it wasn't going to be as easy as they hoped. They didn't stop because they had a sudden change of heart about the coup, just that the cost that it was going to be high once resistance eventually showed up.

What is kind of wild is that he felt so untouchable that wasn't more worried about living in and going back to Russia after the coup, while both military and intelligence in Russia were likely looking to take them out of the picture the first chance they had. And their targets have a long and consistent history of unfortunate accidents.

[Wilian]

I sense either something shot them down, or sabotage.

About all footage shows a cloud which is pretty clearly either internal or external explosion so some sort of fireworks was in use.

[CastletonSnob]

Prigozhin's dead?

...Is it wrong to want to celebrate?

[KrayZ33]

It would be the international recognition of a given territory as a country, regardless of how the poorly the leadership may be representing the people.

Is there a true reason Korea needs to be split between North and South? Do the North Koreans truly all support their country's values? They're also forced into living there, and North Korea is still a country of its own despite any of the people who may yearn for reunification.

The situation isn't as simple as merely saying they should unify and Kim Jong X be removed and all is done. It's simple to say, not to do.



Well you would obviously be the Putin expert here, so I guess I will defer to your expertise on the matter.

Hey, it's not me who said

Yet we are talking about a country that Putin himself considers a part of Russia, both historically and in spirit.

What does "in spirit" mean then if you aren't taking about the people living inside it.

Prigozhin's dead?

...Is it wrong to want to celebrate?

I wouldn't believe it yet. But it would be nice.

[Edge-]

So what are the gains for Russia in their invasion so far?

Some territory in Ukraine they're still fighting over and...uh...???

Economy is tanking
Social issues at home
Their military is sorta a joke in the world now
They lost their key private military force and just killed the guy that ran it
They've pushed more of their neighbors to join NATO

Is there any upside to this so far? Because this seems like it's just a monumentally terrible, no good, awful strategic blunder on almost every conceivable front.

[zealo]

I mean at this point it's semantics.

If you want me to restate it as 'Emerging' or 'Potential' Superpower then sure, I'll bite.

But this 'little war' has caused global inflation to happen. I'd say that's projected quite globally.

The only thing "emerging" for Russia from all this is their "potential" for turning into a Chinese vassal state.

[Gorsameth]

I'm just so confused because like...

Wasn't Wagner in a good position to execute their coup? And then they just...stopped? Did Prig and the rest of them expect any other outcome from this?

I know we're talking about Russia and all but I cannot follow a single lick of the logic in this. Or I'm missing some bits of key context.

Exactly why they stopped we don't know. and will probably never know for sure.

I wouldn't say they were in a good position. They didn't have the numbers to actually take control of the country, but they could probably having taken the Kremlin and make a statement. But the large scale defections that they were gambling on never happened.

And yes the moment they stopped we all assumed they were dead, and were amazed he wasn't executed on spot. Instead Putin waited 2 months and then executed him.

Why he was stupid enough to not spend the rest of his life hiding in Africa and actually went back to Russia god only knows.

[Poopymonster]

Did the plane fall out of a window

into food poisoning.

[Kralljin]

On the one side, i'm asking whether it was such a grand idea to even travel by plane when Putin wants your head.

...on the other side, getting your tea poisoned with some stuff that turns your death into a long and painful affair (or leaves you severely crippled) is hardly a better alternative.

Prigozhin's dead?

...Is it wrong to want to celebrate?

Not really.

Although, i have to concede that enjoyed the Big Prig Memes.
A mercenary trying to stage a coup and even sending a squad to a base housing nukes?
If that had gone through, Kojima's Ego would've become even more inflated than it already is.

[Poopymonster]

Prigozhin's dead?

...Is it wrong to want to celebrate?

It is against the forum rules to wish for/celebrate the death of people. I think the term was "dancing on the grave".

Having said that, I've been brushing up on my Tango, and I've got an open spot on my card for you.

[Triceron]

Hey, it's not me who said

What does "in spirit" mean then if you aren't taking about the people living inside it.

We're already aware there are people sympathetic to Russia living in Ukraine. So we are also talking about the people living inside it. Putin sees himself as a liberator. It's in his actions that we condone, for the aggression is not justifiable.

Things aren't as simple as 'Everyone living in a country aligns with the same values'. Every country has internal divisions within it, and it's a complex matter that shouldn't be simplified just for the sake of arguing some arbitrary binary point.

This contrast between political ideals exists within every nation, and countries can not easily be boiled down to a single united peoples/ideal within a certain country or nation.

[Gaidax]

Guess that also counts as falling down the balcony.

[Gabriel]

Did the plane fall out of a window

He might have gotten sucked out of a window tho.

[The Stormbringer]

I'm just so confused because like...

Wasn't Wagner in a good position to execute their coup? And then they just...stopped? Did Prig and the rest of them expect any other outcome from this?

I know we're talking about Russia and all but I cannot follow a single lick of the logic in this. Or I'm missing some bits of key context.

I believe the Russian government had Prig's family and he probably decided not to risk their lives.

[YUPPIE]

There's less cause for celebration and more of fearing the repeatedly proven reality that no one crosses Putin and lives.

[Edge-]

There's less cause for celebration and more of fearing the repeatedly proven reality that no one crosses Putin and lives.

Boy this was the most predictable response yet.

Zelensky seems to be pretty well alive, last I checked. As a reminder -



I live in a one story house and don't fly. Come at me, Putin.

[Gabriel]

There's less cause for celebration and more of fearing the repeatedly proven reality that no one crosses Putin and lives.

Like clockwork.

[Saradain]

There's less cause for celebration and more of fearing the repeatedly proven reality that no one crosses Putin and lives.

When can we expect the million russians who fled since 2022 to die precisely? They also crossed Putin. And what way do you propose Putin will kill them when they're scattered around the world?

[Belize]

There's less cause for celebration and more of fearing the repeatedly proven reality that no one crosses Putin and lives.

You should be very careful then considering how much you've criticized him online.

In fact, I'd stop posting entirely if I were you, better be safe that way.