Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

NATO members may bicker incessantly, but I can't remember the last time one threatened another member with military strike.

Greece and Turkey say "hi!".

2022

[Relapses]

well, escaping the reality of what their country does certainly will not do anything to change what their country does so yeah maybe some would start to understand that the actions of their country have consequences for its people

I get we're on a WoW message board but as much as I condemn Russia's actions, I stop short of calling for Blizzard to remove access to a video game. Restricting Russians will not lead to a populist revolt. It will lead to Russian people using VPNs to access WoW.

[Kallisto]

Greece and Turkey say "hi!".

2022

Now now, don't need to say 2022. That's every year since Cyprus issues. Turkey just can't handle Economic area laws and International sea borders.

[Corvus]

Russia's Tass newsagents has said a drone attack on Pskov airfield has damaged 4 il76 planes.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...40924955054110

All the fires in the video look a little more than damaged.

[D Luniz]

Russia's Tass newsagents has said a drone attack on Pskov airfield has damaged 4 il76 planes.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...40924955054110

All the fires in the video look a little more than damaged.

Im sure that will buff right out

[Deus Mortis]

Russia's Tass newsagents has said a drone attack on Pskov airfield has damaged 4 il76 planes.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...40924955054110

All the fires in the video look a little more than damaged.

Fantastic! Hope to see more and more of this.

[enigma77]

Are the Russians really that incompetent? I mean come on, how hard can it be to shoot down drones?

[Corvus]

Fantastic! Hope to see more and more of this.

Speaking of - russian media reported a drone strike on one of the largest microelectronic enterprises in russia. Sounds like a busy night in russia.

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russia said Ukraine attacked 6 separate locations overnight.

[Iphie]

Are the Russians really that incompetent? I mean come on, how hard can it be to shoot down drones?

Yes, yes they are. But, to be fair, cardboard drones aren't easy to intercept. russians are still incompetent.

[Canpinter]

Are the Russians really that incompetent? I mean come on, how hard can it be to shoot down drones?

I imagine it's far less of an ablitys to shoot issue and more an inability to detect them problem.

[Kallisto]

I also would not doubt many of these drones aren't that long range either. Ukraine likely have people closer to the targets launching said drones.

[Gorsameth]

Are the Russians really that incompetent? I mean come on, how hard can it be to shoot down drones?

The problem isn't shooting down the drones, its being there to shoot down the drones.

The problem with defence is that you need to defend everything, you need to be at every possibly strategically important location, at all times.
meanwhile the attacker only has to be in 1 location at 1 time.

Its already hard to defend a defensive line, its downright impossible to defend every relevant factory, warehouse and airfield in western Russia.

[Gigantique]

The problem isn't shooting down the drones, its being there to shoot down the drones.

The problem with defence is that you need to defend everything, you need to be at every possibly strategically important location, at all times.
meanwhile the attacker only has to be in 1 location at 1 time.

Its already hard to defend a defensive line, its downright impossible to defend every relevant factory, warehouse and airfield in western Russia.

Doubly so when your troops stuck defending location #361 are more than likely conscripted rural illiterates with a motivation level below bedrock. I wouldn't bet on their awareness being anything but the barest of minimum to not get them yelled at by their commander etc.

[Gabriel]

Summarized: Rebelling is not just something you do with mere protesting on the streets. Iran quelled their recent unrest by literally killing everyone that tried. Don't assume it's so easy or simple.

Call me crazy but isn't this exactly what I was saying?

[Veggie50]

It astonishes me how many people here believe rebelling is something you do when it’s easy, convenient and safe.

[Elder Millennial]

It astonishes me how many people here believe rebelling is something you do when it’s easy, convenient and safe.

And even in the case of Iran...tho protests are still VERY MUCH ONGOING, even if the media in the west kinda stopped covering them and people actually managed to force the regime into substantially easing some of the most insane repressive policies and women now openly defy the hijab policy despite the risk of arrest and prosecution. The regime makes the occasional brutal example, but people still refuse to obey because "they can't arrest all of us."

They have been protesting continuously for 11 months now.

Had the Russians demonstrated a fragment of that social solidarity and determination the Ukrainians would have already forced the Russians out of Ukraine and in all likelihood the Putin regime would have collapsed.

Hell, the Iranians had 1 general strike and a dozens of regional or industry wide strikes. Despite the risk of executions. The Russians? Zilch. Well except Wagner's little "strike".

There's no real opposition to the war in Russia.

[Iphie]

It astonishes me how many people here believe rebelling is something you do when it’s easy, convenient and safe.

I doubt that's what most people think, but what many people DO realise is that starting a rebellion isn't the easiest of things and to have a successful one you kinda need support from:

A: the Army or,
B: the Police or,
C: internal security forces or,
D: all of the above.

As long as they support putin you will not see much more than what we currently see.

[Corvus]

From what I've seen said about the cardboard drones, the wavelength military grade radars use just goes straight through cardboard so if they show up, it looks like a bird. And given they are the size of an albatross and don't move very fast, chances are they aren't going to be spotted. If they start shooting at every bird that flies by then they'll be firing constantly.

In the case of Pskov, the airfield was far, far out of the range of the cardboard drones. (And here is video of at least 1 IL-76 on fire from the attack russia said they repelled.) Which mean they had to use something else to hit it - and yet russia still failed to detect it. Or at least detect in time as video of the incident shows a lot of anti-air fire spraying into the night sky. Maybe they thought the airfield was so far from the frontlines they didn't need any proper air defence there.

Moscow is of course whining about the whole thing, saying they'll make Ukraine pay and that it couldn't have happened without Western intel. At this point it has become a bit monotonous - they can't really do anything more than they have. They lobbed another wave of 40+ missiles and drones at Kyiv afterwards but it was largely ineffective.

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*facepalm* The vatniks and tankies are convinced that the drone strike on Pskov came from Estonia. And the propogandist Soylent has even bought into it, saying that the Baltic States will be 'erased' if it is true.

[Gorsameth]

From what I've seen said about the cardboard drones, the wavelength military grade radars use just goes straight through cardboard so if they show up, it looks like a bird. And given they are the size of an albatross and don't move very fast, chances are they aren't going to be spotted. If they start shooting at every bird that flies by then they'll be firing constantly.

In the case of Pskov, the airfield was far, far out of the range of the cardboard drones. (And here is video of at least 1 IL-76 on fire from the attack russia said they repelled.) Which mean they had to use something else to hit it - and yet russia still failed to detect it. Or at least detect in time as video of the incident shows a lot of anti-air fire spraying into the night sky. Maybe they thought the airfield was so far from the frontlines they didn't need any proper air defence there.

Moscow is of course whining about the whole thing, saying they'll make Ukraine pay and that it couldn't have happened without Western intel. At this point it has become a bit monotonous - they can't really do anything more than they have. They lobbed another wave of 40+ missiles and drones at Kyiv afterwards but it was largely ineffective.

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*facepalm* The vatniks and tankies are convinced that the drone strike on Pskov came from Estonia. And the propogandist Soylent has even bought into it, saying that the Baltic States will be 'erased' if it is true.

Russia is free to fuck around and find out by attacking a NATO nation.

[Saradain]

Good ol' russian mentality. One country does something, all the countries near it must die. They deserve all the hate they get, and their suffering is a mere smile-inducing footnote in everyday life.

I doubt that's what most people think, but what many people DO realise is that starting a rebellion isn't the easiest of things and to have a successful one you kinda need support from:

A: the Army or,
B: the Police or,
C: internal security forces or,
D: all of the above.

As long as they support putin you will not see much more than what we currently see.

E) V for Vendetta: Get a fraction (million) of Moscow population to the streets and I assure you, no force in the world can stop that march all the way to Kremlin. All you do is gather up in a massive group and walk. Violence can proceed to happen later against any authority trying to stop them...

But russians do not care if they are murdering. Until mobilization knocks on their door and they cry for asylum. It's not Putin after all pulling the trigger in Ukraine...its these common, normal russians.