Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

You just summed up the problem with the West nicely. Me Me Me Me Me, fuck the country, more Me Me Me Me.

How about you owe it to your country and people because the life you take for granted is a result of your nation doing things for you?

It depends on the invading nation but the difference between the two has to be substantial to be worth risking your life. If lets say my quality of life would become much worse (like cutting my electricity, internet, food etc) or the invading state had plans to kill me and my family 100% then I would probably accept joining the army but that's because I hate emigrating elsewhere to avoid it, I'm not the type who will move during a crisis, I didn't and never thought about it when my country faced a terrible financial crisis. I would still wait a lot though before conscripting.

[Kaleredar]

It doesn't feel good to be forced to do something that you don't want to, how democratic is this, I'm not interested in dying so that an elite group of people would keep their riches and benefits because that's precisely what a country is. If you are someone coming from a low or even middle class, why would you risk your life? there is nothing to risk for, even if you get conquered, your life can't get any worse assuming that you don't care about pointless and delusional nationalistic stuff.

We have conscription in my country and of course, I avoided it, not interested wasting 1 year of my life for someone who don't care about me. If we had a war, I would do the same, my government does not inspire me enough to go to the frontline and sacrifice myself.

This "but conscription is wrong!" pearl clutching is so... empty... compared to what Ukraine is facing.

Ukraine finds itself in a dire situation it was put in by Russia.

Of the things "wrong" with Russia's war in Ukraine, "forced Ukrainian conscription" is well at the bottom of the list, far below things like the "Russian-lead genocide on Ukrainians" that the conscription is being enacted to combat.

But this seems to bother you a whole lot, so here's a solution: Ukraine wouldn't have to conscript anyone if Russia just gave up and fucked off back to their side of the border.

[Popastique]

Btw not sure if it's true but I read somewhere that the Ukraine army recruits people everywhere and they even camp bars or other public places to fish for potential recruits. Not sure how this works but it sounds scary, is this a normal thing during war? Imagine going to the cinema and a muscular guy stops you in the street, "hey you, come over here, we will take you to Bakhmut now"

Yeap, it is true ( about public places ). As of today they have removed a dozen or so medical conditions that usually give one immunity when it comes to conscription. At the same time they are thinking about abolishing conscription immunity when one decides to get a second or third university degree. They also want to extradite men who fled Ukraine during war though i doubt that will be possible.

[Corvus]

So russia has found a solution to drones destroying their bombers - pile car tires on the planes.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...552436366?s=20

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Even the prime minister of Albania is laughing at pootie.

https://twitter.com/trenesmania/stat...662349088?s=20

[Logwyn]

So russia has found a solution to drones destroying their bombers - pile car tires on the planes.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...552436366?s=20

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Even the prime minister of Albania is laughing at pootie.

https://twitter.com/trenesmania/stat...662349088?s=20

I'm sure the Prime Minister of Albania is not the only one laughing.

[Santti]

So russia has found a solution to drones destroying their bombers - pile car tires on the planes.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...552436366?s=20

I've no idea what kind of bombs the drones are carrying, but I guess the tires might soften the blow a little bit? And since the fuel is usually stored inside the wings, it just might be enough to not to make the whole plane go kaboom... maybe? Also, I don't think the tires are actually attached to planes, right? Now that would be just silly.

[Surfd]

I would argue that China and India might be able to absorb 100M+ casualties due to sheer population size and if they wouldn't be hit in important areas. (fat chance but with both having over 1B people a 100M is kinda small.)

Maybe, but China as a country would still be just done. All it would take is 1 nuke hitting Beijing Pyongyang and evaporating the majority of the government and the entire rest of the country basically instantly turns into 1,000 little dictatorial fiefdoms as every local bigshot sets himself as a regional strongman. Collapse of the government would basically set China back centuries instantaneously.

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I've no idea what kind of bombs the drones are carrying, but I guess the tires might soften the blow a little bit? And since the fuel is usually stored inside the wings, it just might be enough to not to make the whole plane go kaboom... maybe? Also, I don't think the tires are actually attached to planes, right? Now that would be just silly.

Not 100% certain, but I think they were flying with some kind of shrapnel charge, possibly along the lines of a flying claymore (this side towards enemy), so the idea may be to just have the tires absorb the impact of the fragments. Of course, it's going to suck for the russians if they have other ordinances, like, say, incendiary napalm style stuff. Better hope you can remove those tires off the plane really fast.

[Sunseeker]

Maybe, but China as a country would still be just done. All it would take is 1 nuke hitting Pyongyang and evaporating the majority of the government and the entire rest of the country basically instantly turns into 1,000 little dictatorial fiefdoms as every local bigshot sets himself as a regional strongman. Collapse of the government would basically set China back centuries instantaneously.

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Not 100% certain, but I think they were flying with some kind of shrapnel charge, possibly along the lines of a flying claymore (this side towards enemy), so the idea may be to just have the tires absorb the impact of the fragments. Of course, it's going to suck for the russians if they have other ordinances, like, say, incendiary napalm style stuff. Better hope you can remove those tires off the plane really fast.

Pyongyang is the capital of North Korea, not China.

[Surfd]

Pyongyang is the capital of North Korea, not China.

Indeed. Meant to say Beijing. Not sure why Pyongyang popped into my head.

[YUPPIE]

I'm starting to feel like a strategic reason Russia waged this war is, that regardless of if they are forced to surrender and lose, they believe Russia's geopolitical importance will let them slide off the hook. As in, people will forget quickly and go back to doing business with them for resources.

[enigma77]

I'm starting to feel like a strategic reason Russia waged this war is, that regardless of if they are forced to surrender and lose, they believe Russia's geopolitical importance will let them slide off the hook. As in, people will forget quickly and go back to doing business with them for resources.

And they may very well be right about that, still that seems like a really stupid reason to start a war.

[Edge-]

So russia has found a solution to drones destroying their bombers - pile car tires on the planes.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...552436366?s=20

If this actually works, that's pretty innovative.

If it doesn't, is this cope cage 2.0?

[Dontrike]

So russia has found a solution to drones destroying their bombers - pile car tires on the planes.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...552436366?s=20]

Who doesn't love tire fires on top of aircrafts?

[YUPPIE]

And they may very well be right about that, still that seems like a really stupid reason to start a war.

well if they WON, they change the world order/status quo. so it seems like a case of "win big or not lose much."

[korijenkins]

I'm starting to feel like a strategic reason Russia waged this war is, that regardless of if they are forced to surrender and lose, they believe Russia's geopolitical importance will let them slide off the hook. As in, people will forget quickly and go back to doing business with them for resources.

Russia started the war because they (and by they I mean Putin) believed they could win and completely take over Ukraine in a small amount of time. That's essentially it. It was a land grab for resources and population.

If the war ended right now and they managed to keep the territory they currently occupy, that wouldn't outweigh the cost to this point, and I have serious doubts about Russia's ability to maintain control over the southern regions they currently occupy for more than another year.

It's not all about how other countries perceive them. Russia has lost valuable working age males in this war. They've lost military equipment and had much of their own "top of the line" equipment exposed as poorly made garbage, which hurts their defense exports.

[Gabriel]

If this actually works, that's pretty innovative.

If it doesn't, is this cope cage 2.0?

It's a tired cope.

[Gigantique]

I'd strongly recommend you watch this when you get a chance.

Hah I knew what the link was before clicking it.

2nd this though, watching that knocked me out of the presumed "fact" of it being necessary and go dig into it more thoroughly.

[YUPPIE]

So a Russian Shahed drone fucking crashes INTO ROMANIA, and NATO still isn't going to inch?

Ukraine said it has evidence that an Iranian-made drone crashed and detonated in Romania in the first case of Russian attacks hitting a Nato country.

The Shahed suicide drone appeared to be aimed at Ukrainian infrastructure on the Danube, one of the only remaining ports carrying exports to the Black Sea.

Romania denied the drone struck its territory, but Ukraine’s foreign minister claimed on Monday that he had proof the weapon crossed the border.

“It’s laughable to deny that they did fall down and say this with authority, with evidence that Shahed drones did get there,” Dmytro Kuleba said.

“We have photographs proving that something did crash there.”

Mr Kuleba said he believed the Romanian government was being cautious not to “escalate” the incident to avoid being caught in an “immediate conflict”.

[Saradain]

So a Russian Shahed drone fucking crashes INTO ROMANIA, and NATO still isn't going to inch?

Ukraine said it has evidence that an Iranian-made drone crashed and detonated in Romania in the first case of Russian attacks hitting a Nato country.

The Shahed suicide drone appeared to be aimed at Ukrainian infrastructure on the Danube, one of the only remaining ports carrying exports to the Black Sea.

Romania denied the drone struck its territory, but Ukraine’s foreign minister claimed on Monday that he had proof the weapon crossed the border.

“It’s laughable to deny that they did fall down and say this with authority, with evidence that Shahed drones did get there,” Dmytro Kuleba said.

“We have photographs proving that something did crash there.”

Mr Kuleba said he believed the Romanian government was being cautious not to “escalate” the incident to avoid being caught in an “immediate conflict”.

Once again, bait. Ukraine SAYS it happened in Romania, Romania itself denies that. You can't make an honest post in your life can you?

Day 3984782, YUPPIE posts a source that contradicts with his own post in an instant.

[Iphie]

Once again, bait. Ukraine SAYS it happened in Romania, Romania itself denies that. You can't make an honest post in your life can you?

Day 3984782, YUPPIE posts a source that contradicts with his own post in an instant.

Besides, with Poland last year it has been established already that, as long as it is not a deliberate attack, NATO won't just charge in over an incident.