Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

If only there was a way to avoid that...

there's no avoiding it because the Russians would literally die than surrender as proven again just yesterday.

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[Saradain]

there's no avoiding it because the Russians would literally die than surrender as proven again just yesterday.

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Literally walk away and its avoided. No surrender needed. Whether they have the IQ to not die for nothing, is another question that is not allowed in MMO-C.

[YUPPIE]

to not die for nothing

They are genuinely loyal to Putin, so in their mind, dying in battle is worth it. That's why they commit suicide or try these stunts of fake-outs before imminent death. The Japanese in WW2 did it all the time, making the famous kamikaze term we now know.

[Saradain]

They are genuinely loyal to Putin, so in their mind, dying in battle is worth it. That's why they commit suicide or try these stunts of fake-outs before imminent death. The Japanese in WW2 did it all the time, making the famous kamikaze term we now know.

I'm 100% sure they are entirely believing to be part of a supreme empire that is destined to prevail. Or just racist fucking idiots believing if they act stronk enough, they can do anything.

Or maybe the mobiks were told Ukraine treats their prisoners like russians treat theirs - they witnessed it firsthand...Why seemingly be raped to death by a rusty garden fork when you can just die instantly with a surprise grenade?

But eh, YUPPIE thinking real life works like a fictional empire where undying loyalty means jackshit. You are so, so gullible...

[Kralljin]

Or maybe the mobiks were told Ukraine treats their prisoners like russians treat theirs - they witnessed it firsthand...Why seemingly be raped to death by a rusty garden fork when you can just die instantly with a surprise grenade?

Alternatively, dying means that your family at least has a shot at getting some money from the Russian state to survive.
I doubt the families of POW's receive anything, let alone a premise for them to be reintegrated into society under the current government.

Let's just imagine the following scenario: The War ends (somehow), Putin / his government stays in power and all those POW's are being returned to Russia.
What's going to happen to them?
If we go full Stalin, then those people's future can be described as "not too fucking bright".

I don't want to encourage anyone to go out in a blaze of glory for Russia, but i gotta be realistic enough and say that the future of those POW's is less than certain, because it massively depends on how this war ends and how it impacts Russia internally.

[YUPPIE]

Alternatively, dying means that your family at least has a shot at getting some money from the Russian state to survive.

No, the Russian state has proven to not actually compensate families at all and do their best to find excuses if intimidation doesn't work.

[Corvus]

420K may sound like a lot, but their actual frontline combat troops are spread thin. A lot of those are trying to keep the creaky logistics going and also trying to keep a restive populace down - occupying forces need to keep a lot of troops back behind the lines keeping things secure which saps their frontline strength.

And russia is trying to keep feeding the meatgrinder but there is a limit. When you count those mobilised, the dead, the crippled and the fled, they've probably yoinked a couple of million out of their workforce. Throw in another million odd as pootin's personal security force trying to keep russia under control and you are dealing with a huge portion of their available workforce tied up.

On top of that they are trying to expand the military industrial complex. Which will require more workers. Which will further strain their creaky economy. Heck, they have announced plans they are going to restart T80 production, 20 years after it ended. The factory that built them no longer exists so they are going to have to rebuild it from scratch, which will take a long time. Given the T80 is more expensive to make than the T72s and T90s (which are just reskinned T72s anyway) and aren't any better, it has people scratching their heads as to why. Well, besides embezzlement. Best guess is that T72/T90 refurbishment is at its limit and the old stocks of T80s that could easily be sent to the front have been, so they are going to make 'new' T80s by taking all the non functioning ones in storage, breaking them up and frankenstiening 'new' ones from the cannibalized parts.

Their frontline strength is stretched and they keep trying to shuffle them around to deal with threats but that just exposes other locations - they are redeploying horizontally, not from reserves. Case in point - russian sources have said that the Ukrainians are pushing on Donetsk airport, and there is good evidence that is happening. Back during the initial russian invasion in 2014, Ukraine put up a heroic defense of the place which led to the legend of the Cyborgs. Taking it back, or simply moving on it, forces the russians to again redeploy to try and stop it as losing it not only would be a major concern for morale and propaganda, it also puts the Ukrainians practically in the suburbs of Donetsk city itself. And that is a major headache for the russians.

[YUPPIE]

A Russian general promoted recently said today in a bold claim that Russia intends on conquering all of Europe and that Ukraine is just "the start"

This week, Putin promoted Lieutenant General Andrey Mordvichev to the rank of Colonel-General. The military leader had already been serving in the role of commanding the Central Military District and Russian Central Grouping of Forces in Ukraine.

In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, Mordvichev said he believes Putin's war will last quite a long time and expand in the future.

"I think there's still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer," the general said.

"Ukraine is only a stepping stone?" the interviewer then asked.

"Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," Mordvichev responded, who went on to say that the war "will not stop here."

[Deus Mortis]

A Russian general promoted recently said today in a bold claim that Russia intends on conquering all of Europe and that Ukraine is just "the start"

This week, Putin promoted Lieutenant General Andrey Mordvichev to the rank of Colonel-General. The military leader had already been serving in the role of commanding the Central Military District and Russian Central Grouping of Forces in Ukraine.

In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, Mordvichev said he believes Putin's war will last quite a long time and expand in the future.

"I think there's still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer," the general said.

"Ukraine is only a stepping stone?" the interviewer then asked.

"Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," Mordvichev responded, who went on to say that the war "will not stop here."

Man losing over 12,500 vehicles to a stepping stone is pretty embarrassing. But go ahead and try it Russia, you attempt to invade Europe and those stones you talk about will instantly be landslides from all directions and will bury your entire country.

[Kaleredar]

Man losing over 12,500 vehicles to a stepping stone is pretty embarrassing. But go ahead and try it Russia, you attempt to invade Europe and those stones you talk about will instantly be landslides from all directions and will bury your entire country.

And this is why it's important for the US/EU/NATO to intervene and continue to do so. Stop the genocidal dictator rampaging across Europe before he can gain any headway.

I'll await with baited breath to hear about Russia's professed desire to continue taking over Eastern Europe is "the west's" fault. Though those posters have grown pretty scant.

[Corvus]

They also claimed they were going to take Kyiv in 3 days. This is entirely for internal propaganda purposes. And possible to suck up to pootin, to tell him what he wants to hear. its not going to happen, not when Poland is probably just itching to be unleashed.

[Iphie]

They also claimed they were going to take Kyiv in 3 days. This is entirely for internal propaganda purposes. And possible to suck up to pootin, to tell him what he wants to hear. its not going to happen, not when Poland is probably just itching to be unleashed.

Poland, Finland, the Baltics won't mind, the rest of the former Warsaw pact have some score to settle as well...I'm not saying all are equally eager to go to war but at least two out these mentioned are ready, willing and able to trash the russians if they look funny at their countries.

Coming to the rest of Europe is a monumentally bad idea for russsia...so it's only a matter of WHEN not IF given their brain trusts brilliant ideas lately.

[enigma77]

A Russian general promoted recently said today in a bold claim that Russia intends on conquering all of Europe and that Ukraine is just "the start"

This week, Putin promoted Lieutenant General Andrey Mordvichev to the rank of Colonel-General. The military leader had already been serving in the role of commanding the Central Military District and Russian Central Grouping of Forces in Ukraine.

In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, Mordvichev said he believes Putin's war will last quite a long time and expand in the future.

"I think there's still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer," the general said.

"Ukraine is only a stepping stone?" the interviewer then asked.

"Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," Mordvichev responded, who went on to say that the war "will not stop here."

Haha, if I were him I'd be concerned about Russia being taken by Europe.

[alach]

Some sobering words from General Mark Milley,

"The Ukrainians are still plugging away with steady progress."

Gen Milley said it was too early to say whether the counter-offensive had failed, but said Ukraine was "progressing at a very steady pace through the Russian front lines".

"There's still a reasonable amount of time, probably about 30 to 45 days' worth of fighting weather left, so the Ukrainians aren't done.

But on a more positive side, apparently the Ukrainians have sieze a couple oil platforms that had been Russian control for nearly a decade.

And, though I can't find a source on it yet, it sounds like they have breached some major defences in the south and are steadily moving in heavy armour and widening the gap.

edit : Sounds like Lil'Kimmy is off to meet Uncle Putin. This can only mean good things for the world.

[Corvus]

Ukraine liberated kherson during that period last year. The south has a different climate and soil than the north so doesn't get as cold or muddy.

[Vampiregenesis]

Milley's statement sounds like "finish this in 45 days or we are done" Why this counteroffensive has to end in 45 days? can't the Ukrainians prepare for another offensive next year with better equipment, airforce etc? or Russians will be unstoppable by then?

The US probably wants to find an excuse to withdraw from this war.

[DarkTZeratul]

Milley's statement sounds like "finish this in 45 days or we are done" Why this counteroffensive has to end in 45 days? can't the Ukrainians prepare for another offensive next year with better equipment, airforce etc? or Russians will be unstoppable by then?

The US probably wants to find an excuse to withdraw from this war.

I think you're reading stuff into it that isn't there. He's not saying "do it in 45 days or we're out." He's saying, quite simply, "there's only about 45 days before the weather will be too shitty for much fighting to happen."

[diller]

Milley's statement sounds like "finish this in 45 days or we are done" Why this counteroffensive has to end in 45 days? can't the Ukrainians prepare for another offensive next year with better equipment, airforce etc? or Russians will be unstoppable by then?

The US probably wants to find an excuse to withdraw from this war.

Because the weather will change and make an offense harder, can't you think or something?

[alach]

Ukraine liberated kherson during that period last year. The south has a different climate and soil than the north so doesn't get as cold or muddy.

Pretty sure the fighting didn't let up last year, just slowed down. Don't think it will make much difference until January at the least. The Ukrainians sound like the have some momentum at the moment.

[Forogil]

I think you're reading stuff into it that isn't there. He's not saying "do it in 45 days or we're out." He's saying, quite simply, "there's only about 45 days before the weather will be too shitty for much fighting to happen."

Yeah, it's more that the headline-writer is twisting his words.

Milley is more stressing that there are up to 45 days left of the fighting and we cannot say how the fighting will end this season, except that Ukraine has partial success (and he isn't suggesting that nothing will happen after the 45 days).
The headline says "Ukraine offensive could have only 30 days left - US Army chief".