Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Orange Joe]

You really like to come to threads and argue angrily with others about irrelevant stuff like they just insulted your mother, eh?

Don't project please. Otherwise yes I like to debate. If I didn't I wouldn't be here would I?

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I'm not exactly sure where you're going with all this, but may I suggest a glass of water?

I don't think anyone here claimed he is going to rush and send Putin half of his stockpile.

The initial argument was that Kim can provide a useful assistance to Russia, because all in all old ammo and all weapons are better than no ammo and weapons. And also, the word can does not mean will, because half a dozen aforementioned reasons.

What Kim thinks or not thinks it's not really in scope of our coffee reading session. I operate based on reasonable realities on the ground, I can't guess feelings.

Now, would you kindly get back to the thread's topic or you are going to keep trying to defend your honor, as if anyone really gives a damn about it?

And I disagree. Ammo does nothing without the bodies and guns/launchers to shoot them, by all counts right now Russia is having more issues with people than anything else.


You both need to stop projecting yourselves on to others, just because you are/would be angry doesn't mean everyone is.


There is exactly 1 time I have been mad on these forums and there was no question about it. Just ask @cubby (if he even remember anymore lol)

[Gaidax]

And I disagree. Ammo does nothing without the bodies and guns/launchers to shoot them, by all counts right now Russia is having more issues with people than anything else.

What a strange mindset.

You do realize that one does not make the other meaningless? Russia needs everything, manpower and weapons/ammo/spare parts.

Obviously, Kim can't solve the manpower issue for Russia, but he can help with weapons/ammo/spare parts.

[unfilteredJW]

Don't project please. Otherwise yes I like to debate. If I didn't I wouldn't be here would I?

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And I disagree. Ammo does nothing without the bodies and guns/launchers to shoot them, by all counts right now Russia is having more issues with people than anything else.


You both need to stop projecting yourselves on to others, just because you are/would be angry doesn't mean everyone is.


There is exactly 1 time I have been mad on these forums and there was no question about it. Just ask @cubby (if he even remember anymore lol)

You don't debate, you pick fights.

[Orange Joe]

You don't debate, you pick fights.

Says the guy randomly replying to me picking a fight? Come on guys if you don't like what I say please feel free to put me on ignore. Otherwise stop projecting.

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What a strange mindset.

You do realize that one does not make the other meaningless? Russia needs everything, manpower and weapons/ammo/spare parts.

Obviously, Kim can't solve the manpower issue for Russia, but he can help with weapons/ammo/spare parts.

One doesn't make the other meaningless? guns on mortars shoot themselves now?

[Santti]

Obviously, Kim can't solve the manpower issue for Russia, but he can help with weapons/ammo/spare parts.

Ehhh, I'm not convinced NK is able to help with those, either. Not in any capacity that would matter, at least.

Weapons? There's no way NK could give anything more than small arms, and I doubt Russia is hurting for those.

Spare parts? I doubt there are many compatible vehicles between the countries that Russia could make a use for. And I don't think NK has all that much to give, even if they had.

Ammo? Maybe for artillery. But then again, I doubt NK is swimming in that kind of ammo. It's also one of the few cards it has against SK; the ability to strike at Seoul. So how much of that is it willing to give away?

In the end, I don't think this meeting is really for military aid. It's to give the west a middle finger, by working with NK. Though I have absolutely no clue how this meeting is supposed to look like, domestically...

[Kaleredar]

In the end, I don't think this meeting is really for military aid. It's to give the west a middle finger, by working with NK. Though I have absolutely no clue how this meeting is supposed to look like, domestically...

"we have never been at war with eastasia"

[P for Pancetta]

Ehhh, I'm not convinced NK is able to help with those, either. Not in any capacity that would matter, at least.

Weapons? There's no way NK could give anything more than small arms, and I doubt Russia is hurting for those.

Spare parts? I doubt there are many compatible vehicles between the countries that Russia could make a use for. And I don't think NK has all that much to give, even if they had.

Ammo? Maybe for artillery. But then again, I doubt NK is swimming in that kind of ammo. It's also one of the few cards it has against SK; the ability to strike at Seoul. So how much of that is it willing to give away?

In the end, I don't think this meeting is really for military aid. It's to give the west a middle finger, by working with NK. Though I have absolutely no clue how this meeting is supposed to look like, domestically...

North Korea is capable of making relatively high quality weaponry (rockets mainly). They have in the past shipped rockets to Iran which they've used to attack SA. But due to sanctions that's difficult, they send them in small batches IKEA style on multiple shipments, to be assembled by the user. They can't send large batches of weaponry to Russia by sea. And sending it all through China by train is going to be very expensive.

[Iphie]

North Korea is capable of making relatively high quality weaponry (rockets mainly). They have in the past shipped rockets to Iran which they've used to attack SA. But due to sanctions that's difficult, they send them in small batches IKEA style on multiple shipments, to be assembled by the user. They can't send large batches of weaponry to Russia by sea. And sending it all through China by train is going to be very expensive.

Isn't there a train connection to russia from NK? I mean Kim took the train to Moscow.

[enigma77]

Isn't there a train connection to russia from NK? I mean Kim took the train to Moscow.

They are meeting in Russia's far east.

[zealo]

Isn't there a train connection to russia from NK? I mean Kim took the train to Moscow.

That meeting happened in Vladivostok, but yes, there are train connections from NK to Russia, by which point Russia would presumably handle the logistics themselves if they get munitions from Fatso.

[Iphie]

That meeting happened in Vladivostok, but yes, there are train connections from NK to Russia, by which point Russia would presumably handle the logistics themselves if they get munitions from Fatso.

Right, right, I must've been misinformed about the location. My point was more or less that China doesn't need to be involved at all in the logistics.

[Gaidax]

One doesn't make the other meaningless? guns on mortars shoot themselves now?

Again, Russia needs guns and mortars just as much as they need men.

Getting either covered is not a mutually exclusive goals, what's so hard to understand there?

[enigma77]

Right, right, I must've been misinformed about the location. My point was more or less that China doesn't need to be involved at all in the logistics.

Yes, there is a tiny strip of land connecting N Korea to Russia.

[Forogil]

The whole show they did does not mean much without actual action and isn't their first either. Last time they did it - it amounted to whole lot of nothing.

Of course, times change, but I wouldn't expect Russia going all in hugging North Korea, because these things aren't in the vacuum, China won't be happy with Russia muddying up the waters in their backyard. And Russia itself isn't quite ready to go to the North Korea level of isolation.

Russia gave Kim a king's welcome with a lot of smiles and hugs, but you can bet that behind the closed doors there was a lot of heated negotiations that may end up not bearing much fruit.

True - it is not a done deal, but Russia might be running out of options that they perceive as better (obviously I think that the option of Russia just leaving Ukraine is preferable).

[Corvus]

Yes, there is a tiny strip of land connecting N Korea to Russia.

At least until China takes it back.

[Wilian]

At least until China takes it back.

Pretty sure it is already part of China in their new maps.

[Forogil]

Again, Russia needs guns and mortars just as much as they need men.

I would even say they need gun and mortars more than men (although the man-power problem is complicated as well), and since N. Korean artillery are normally knockoffs of Russian ones they should be compatible.

[Corvus]

Kadyrov seems to have put out a video refuting reports of his demise. No turmoil in Chechnya after all unfortunately.

[Saradain]

Kadyrov seems to have put out a video refuting reports of his demise. No turmoil in Chechnya after all unfortunately.

Don't think anyone here claimed he was dead, but in coma as per most recent news. And apparently his doctor was killed by burying him alive for "poisoning him"

[Wilian]

That would be a shame.