Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkTZeratul]

At least until China takes it back.

I was gonna make essentially the same comment, but I double-checked and it was a different part of Russia that China's still sore about losing 60 years ago. If China decided to conquer Primorsky Krai, they wouldn't be taking it back, they'd just be taking it.

[zealo]

I was gonna make essentially the same comment, but I double-checked and it was a different part of Russia that China's still sore about losing 60 years ago. If China decided to conquer Primorsky Krai, they wouldn't be taking it back, they'd just be taking it.

Outer Manchuria were a part of Qing China before around 1860 somewhere.

Depending on how they decide to frame that if it comes to it, it could absolutely be presented as "taking it back".

[DarkTZeratul]

Outer Manchuria were a part of Qing China before around 1860 somewhere.

Depending on how they decide to frame that if it comes to it, it could absolutely be presented as "taking it back".

Ah. I was looking at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-S...order_conflict

[YUPPIE]

Seems like Ukraine has struck Crimea once again

[Corvus]

Latest message being pushed by russian state media - be more like north Korea. You are all being too hedonistic. If you are like north Korea and have nothing, no coke, no iPhone, no holidays, no food then the west can't take it from you via sanctions.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...-north-koreans

Sounds like things are getting bad and worse if expected.

[Gabriel]

If someone was still wondering what makes Russians behave so apathetic against their government.

[Cynical Asshole]

....

No. There are always 2 reasons why people are apathetic to an abusive government:

1. The government is showing them the iron gauntlet that will grab them by the balls should they disobey.
2. Their stomachs aren't growling, or aren't growling loud enough.

Rebellions always happen when number 2 is no longer true. And there are no stomachs growling in Russia right now, nor will be for the foreseeable future, let's be realistic here. To expect Russia's economy to fall so much as to make food lines, is highly delusional.

[Iphie]

No. There are always 2 reasons why people are apathetic to an abusive government:

1. The government is showing them the iron gauntlet that will grab them by the balls should they disobey.
2. Their stomachs aren't growling, or aren't growling loud enough.

Rebellions always happen when number 2 is no longer true. And there are no stomachs growling in Russia right now, nor will be for the foreseeable future, let's be realistic here. To expect Russia's economy to fall so much as to make food lines, is highly delusional.

Quite true, one of the surest indicators of imminent rebellion is cost of living, specifically food. Back when I studied history at university we had a subject called "economic history", they might as well have it renamed to "why is the grain price important and why does a high price mean that the guillotines are set up?".

[Nymrohd]

No. There are always 2 reasons why people are apathetic to an abusive government:

1. The government is showing them the iron gauntlet that will grab them by the balls should they disobey.
2. Their stomachs aren't growling, or aren't growling loud enough.

Rebellions always happen when number 2 is no longer true. And there are no stomachs growling in Russia right now, nor will be for the foreseeable future, let's be realistic here. To expect Russia's economy to fall so much as to make food lines, is highly delusional.

3. The abusive government causes a national disaster
The Greek junta fell after their disastrous intervention in Cyprus. It did not fall because it was abusive; it turned tanks against college kids and still stood after (and a decent percent of the population was still on their side). If the abusive government is deemed weak and damaging though it can also fall.
If Russia loses Crimea it likely will cause a regime change. The nationalist narrative will fall apart instantly the moment the government's actions lead to embarassment. Not necessarily one that will matter for most of the world though.

[Gabriel]

No. There are always 2 reasons why people are apathetic to an abusive government:

1. The government is showing them the iron gauntlet that will grab them by the balls should they disobey.
2. Their stomachs aren't growling, or aren't growling loud enough.

Rebellions always happen when number 2 is no longer true. And there are no stomachs growling in Russia right now, nor will be for the foreseeable future, let's be realistic here. To expect Russia's economy to fall so much as to make food lines, is highly delusional.

So you expect the Russian people to rise up against their government once their stomachs are growling loud enough? I admire your optimism.

[Cynical Asshole]

So you expect the Russian people to rise up against their government once their stomachs are growling loud enough? I admire your optimism.

They don't have a choice. They can either die fighting soldiers or they can die of starvation while watching their loved ones also die of starvation.

Look up the French Revolution.

At some point, hunger and hatred overwhelm fear.

[Corvus]

They don't have a choice. They can either die fighting soldiers or they can die of starvation while watching their loved ones also die of starvation.

Look up the French Revolution.

At some point, hunger and hatred overwhelm fear.

Normally I'd agree with that but the russian psyche is just weird. Plus they are being shown north Korea as a model to aspire to which has starved its populace for 70 years.

[Gorsameth]

They don't have a choice. They can either die fighting soldiers or they can die of starvation while watching their loved ones also die of starvation.

Look up the French Revolution.

At some point, hunger and hatred overwhelm fear.

Counter point.

North Korea.

[Cynical Asshole]

Normally I'd agree with that but the russian psyche is just weird. Plus they are being shown north Korea as a model to aspire to which has starved its populace for 70 years.

Tbh, I don't think things are as bad in NK. Yes, they live in poverty but so did Romania during Communism and nobody was actually starving.

The Revolution of 1989 was a coup because a political faction with US support wanted to get rid of Ceaushescu, and they did. Not that Ceaushescu didn't deserve it, hell, he was a mass murder and oppressor, but it wouldn't have happened without internal political things going on. And he was quickly executed after a sham trial, in order to curb stomp any idea of resistance from his supporters and prevent a civil war.

[Elder Millennial]

If someone was still wondering what makes Russians behave so apathetic against their government.

"Voluntary slavery".

I mean... I usually condemn kink shaming. But getting wrecked by Putin is a bit of a weird fetish.

[Gabriel]

They don't have a choice. They can either die fighting soldiers or they can die of starvation while watching their loved ones also die of starvation.

Look up the French Revolution.

At some point, hunger and hatred overwhelm fear.

Haha, no. The last chance of the Russian people ever revolting against their government died when they didn't revolt against the Soviet Government due to the purges committed by NKVD.

[Elder Millennial]

Tbh, I don't think things are as bad in NK. Yes, they live in poverty but so did Romania during Communism and nobody was actually starving.

The Revolution of 1989 was a coup because a political faction with US support wanted to get rid of Ceaushescu, and they did. Not that Ceaushescu didn't deserve it, hell, he was a mass murder and oppressor, but it wouldn't have happened without internal political things going on. And he was quickly executed in order to curb stomp any idea of resistance from his supporters.

What kind of fucking brain rot did you get?

1989 was a coup? A COUP? Is this some new Romanian tankie shit or some fascist conspiracy? What the fuck is your malfunction.



Did the CIA pay everyone off in that crowd? And in all the other protests days and weeks before? Or are you one of those nationalist loons who thinks it was a CIA op because the protests were triggered by some protestant bishop from a different ethnic group?

Also, NK is not so bad? What the fuck are you sniffing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

Even today, despite ALL THE SANCTIONS North Korea is still a recipient of Food Aid from China, South Korea and the UN.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Nort...sume-aid-flows

[Cynical Asshole]

Did the CIA pay everyone off in that crowd? And in all the other protests days and weeks before? Or are you one of those nationalist loons who thinks it was a CIA op because the protests were triggered by some protestant bishop from a different ethnic group?

Also, NK is not so bad? What the fuck are you sniffing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

Even today, despite ALL THE SANCTIONS North Korea is still a recipient of Food Aid from China, South Korea and the UN.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Nort...sume-aid-flows

You don't seem to understand how propaganda works. You see, you can totally convince a lot of people to do your dirty work with the right words in the right places, especially if they already agree with you.

So you don't have to pay them anything at all. You just have to TELL them what they want to hear.

Why do you people always say that when many people picket something, they must have been paid?! No, they weren't paid, but their leaders, their organizers, and the people running coms sure as hell were.

[Corvus]

The situation in NK is pretty bad - the population has experienced such prolonged malnourishment that they have shrunk. 70 years ago all Koreans, whether in the north or south were the same. Today the north Koreans are noticeably shorter and lighter on average than those in the south. Not to mention their shorter lifespan as well. And that is all due to lack of food.

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Finally a photo of the Rostov-on-Don.



Its don like a dinner.

[Gabriel]

Its don like a dinner.

Just needs some duct tape and elbow grease.