Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

oh, goodie we could use some drama again :/

While I understand Ukrainian reticence, it helps no one, particularly not themselves, if they lie about something like this. I'm not saying that the NYT is correct but an investigating might be merited.

That said, regardless of who fired the rocket, russia is to blame for the deaths as these people would still be alive if russia had not attacked.

[Saradain]

oh, goodie we could use some drama again :/

While I understand Ukrainian reticence, it helps no one, particularly not themselves, if they lie about something like this. I'm not saying that the NYT is correct but an investigating might be merited.

That said, regardless of who fired the rocket, russia is to blame for the deaths as these people would still be alive if russia had not attacked.

Russia is the only reason Ukraine needs to even fire rockets back at them. Malfunction is not an impossible accident. But yes, we'll see russiaboos celebrating, taking all the propaganda shit they can from it and pretend they're not getting massive casualties.

[Flarelaine]

Is that the latest conspiracy out of Romania that the regime was fair and the uprising was people set up by the US or something????

You must be very young or very naive, or more likely just a cynical asshole.

The Ceaucescu regime wasn't fair and the uprising was genuine.

However, the regime was crumbling, the dictator was losing the plot so some of the party and security leaders decided they rather bring down the house on him than get buried with him. In years before, state security could and would have clamped down on protests like that. Instead they allowed open discontent to brew then sent the old doddering fool out to hold a speech to the protesters. The footage clearly shows he was still believing in his power over his people at that point and the sheer outpour of hate stunned him. Afterwards, he was simply abandoned and shoved under the bus by the entire apparatus.

[jonnysensible]

winter will probably bring an anti infrastructure campaign again, hopefully its Ukraine sending Russians into the cold with drones this time round.

[Biglog]

Will be interesting to see Iran's movements in the coming days regarding Azerbaijan-Armenia. Azerbaijan has also (accidently...again) killed Russian peacekeepers in the offensive, so we'll see what their response to that is.

[Corvus]

As long as Azerbaijan only goes after the enclave that no one recognised, nothing will happen. There will be an ethnic cleansing but it'll be ignored.

If they go after Armenia proper, that might be different. Azerbaijan does want to take part of southern Armenia as a landbridge between the two separate parts of their country, but Iran has said that is a redline, as it borders Iran and Iran gets a lot of smuggled sanctioned goods through it.

[Kallisto]

As long as Azerbaijan only goes after the enclave that no one recognised, nothing will happen. There will be an ethnic cleansing but it'll be ignored.

Ignored like the other 10-20 Armenians have suffered by Azeris and Turks over the past century and a half. 4 of which were the reasons the Armenians felt they had to take NK in the first place. These guys suffered a ton and were put into a no-win situation when the soviet union collapsed because ignoring Azeri crimes that started even before the two nations left the USSR was just not going to happen, while the Azeris were always going to be closely allied to Turkey (And by Proxy NATO) due to ethnic and historical ties between the two.

[alach]

You all see this?

Exclusive: Ukraine’s special services ‘likely’ behind strikes on Wagner-backed forces in Sudan, a Ukrainian military source says

Apparently Ukraine is hitting the Russians on foreign soil now.
Maybe the start of some international Russian criminal huntings ala Munich?
Turnabout is fair play after all.

[Gabriel]

You all see this?

Exclusive: Ukraine’s special services ‘likely’ behind strikes on Wagner-backed forces in Sudan, a Ukrainian military source says

Apparently Ukraine is hitting the Russians on foreign soil now.
Maybe the start of some international Russian criminal huntings ala Munich?
Turnabout is fair play after all.

God I wish they would pull an Israel and hunt all the Wagnerites until none remain.

[diller]

The Ceaucescu regime wasn't fair and the uprising was genuine.

However, the regime was crumbling, the dictator was losing the plot so some of the party and security leaders decided they rather bring down the house on him than get buried with him. In years before, state security could and would have clamped down on protests like that. Instead they allowed open discontent to brew then sent the old doddering fool out to hold a speech to the protesters. The footage clearly shows he was still believing in his power over his people at that point and the sheer outpour of hate stunned him. Afterwards, he was simply abandoned and shoved under the bus by the entire apparatus.

I know all this, I also clearly remember their execution, it was like a snuff movie on the news.

[Corvus]

Wagner have also been having problems in Mali, with a number of planes and helicopters lost.

The Sudan situation is interesting as initially Sudan started out pro-russia. Something happened to change their mind along the way, to the point they sent weapons help Ukraine. Mortars mostly, I believe, but Sudan is a poor country and its more than a lot of countries have done. So this may be a case of Ukraine returning the favour. Given the RSF, the militia that the Sudanese government is fighting, had Wagner links, it might help explain the governments change of heart. Not only does this help weaken russian influence in Africa, it will also help flip a country from russia to Ukraine.

[Iphie]

Wagner have also been having problems in Mali, with a number of planes and helicopters lost.

The Sudan situation is interesting as initially Sudan started out pro-russia. Something happened to change their mind along the way, to the point they sent weapons help Ukraine. Mortars mostly, I believe, but Sudan is a poor country and its more than a lot of countries have done. So this may be a case of Ukraine returning the favour. Given the RSF, the militia that the Sudanese government is fighting, had Wagner links, it might help explain the governments change of heart. Not only does this help weaken russian influence in Africa, it will also help flip a country from russia to Ukraine.

It's not entirely impossible that they took a good look at russia, wagner and Ukraine and came to the conclusion that, "Hey, you know, those ruskies are just like the rest of them white folk, trying to colonise us.", which would be a good development as that is one of the things that's been baffling to me: the notion that russia is well intentioned in Africa. (by Africans, and yes I understand the historic backgrund, doesn't make it any less baffling.). Another possibility is: Food, Sudan imports a lot of wheat.

[alach]

It's not entirely impossible that they took a good look at russia, wagner and Ukraine and came to the conclusion that, "Hey, you know, those ruskies are just like the rest of them white folk, trying to colonise us.", which would be a good development as that is one of the things that's been baffling to me: the notion that russia is well intentioned in Africa. (by Africans, and yes I understand the historic backgrund, doesn't make it any less baffling.). Another possibility is: Food, Sudan imports a lot of wheat.

Its strange to me too. Like Trump and the evangelicals.
Russia is like the second or third whitest, most xenophobic country in the world.

I am not positive, but there seems to be corelation to the string of recent coups in Africa and the presence of Wagnar. Maybe thats what they have in common, a brainwashed populace for a hatred for democracy.

[Gaidax]

winter will probably bring an anti infrastructure campaign again, hopefully its Ukraine sending Russians into the cold with drones this time round.

Let's be real, Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia mainland are little more than symbolic really. It's nice and all, but at most it's cosmetic damage and nuisance compared to what Russia does to Ukraine.

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It's not entirely impossible that they took a good look at russia, wagner and Ukraine and came to the conclusion that, "Hey, you know, those ruskies are just like the rest of them white folk, trying to colonise us.", which would be a good development as that is one of the things that's been baffling to me: the notion that russia is well intentioned in Africa. (by Africans, and yes I understand the historic backgrund, doesn't make it any less baffling.). Another possibility is: Food, Sudan imports a lot of wheat.

The chain of coups happening in Africa is not some surprising development.

Corrupt leaders pillaging and selling out their countries getting deposed, and their Western backers are seen as the same evil. That the people trade one bag of dicks for another, is something that they will discover down the road, but the desire for change there is genuine.

The whole colonization did not really end for those countries, it just changed face by putting local leaders on strings and payroll. The tinder is there already, Wagner is merely a spark.

[Easo]

So now you are going to see what an actual ethnic cleansing looks like, after a country gets destroyed by a military force in the year 2023.
But they are not white enough and oil does not smell, so it is all good and fine and no one will be held responsible. After all - muh international laws, muh international borduuurrrsssss.

Ah, but Russia will get blamed for it, of course, because thinking is too hard.
Woe to the vanquished...

[Saradain]

So now you are going to see what an actual ethnic cleansing looks like, after a country gets destroyed by a military force in the year 2023.
But they are not white enough and oil does not smell, so it is all good and fine and no one will be held responsible. After all - muh international laws, muh international borduuurrrsssss.

Ah, but Russia will get blamed for it, of course, because thinking is too hard.
Woe to the vanquished...

I guess you refer to France and Niger? Whataboutism is your weapon now after "fog of war" failed and Bucha massacre was denied?

[Gabriel]

Its strange to me too. Like Trump and the evangelicals.
Russia is like the second or third whitest, most xenophobic country in the world.

I am not positive, but there seems to be corelation to the string of recent coups in Africa and the presence of Wagnar. Maybe thats what they have in common, a brainwashed populace for a hatred for democracy.

Lol whut? Thanks to it's size Russia is one of the most diverse countries there is. If by Russia you mean "Moscow and St. Petersburg" then yeah.

[alach]

Lol whut? Thanks to it's size Russia is one of the most diverse countries there is. If by Russia you mean "Moscow and St. Petersburg" then yeah.

Forgive me for generalizing, but I think it may be fairly common that when one refers to Russians, they don't think of people of colour - especially when compared to another country of nearly the same size - Canada.
Either way, wasn't really my point.

[Corvus]

I guess you refer to France and Niger? Whataboutism is your weapon now after "fog of war" failed and Bucha massacre was denied?

He's referring to Armenia which is in a terrible situation due to its location and neighbours.

In that case it is russia's fault, as they were the ones who deliberately messed around with the ethnic make-up of the region and the borders to engineer crisis like this so they'd maintain power in the region. Of course when their guarantees are called upon, they are too busy being nazis by invading a neighbour.

[Azadina]

So now you are going to see what an actual ethnic cleansing looks like, after a country gets destroyed by a military force in the year 2023.
But they are not white enough and oil does not smell, so it is all good and fine and no one will be held responsible. After all - muh international laws, muh international borduuurrrsssss.

Ah, but Russia will get blamed for it, of course, because thinking is too hard.
Woe to the vanquished...

Komrade fog of war, is the RuZZki in final form yet, or is that still in store? Will they unleash the real peacekeeping denazification special operation anytime soon? Also, bonus question: how are those evil, untrue, western MSM propaganda, fake news memes and stereotypes about ruZZki military and it's tactics holding up? You assured they are all completely untrue. Would that still be the case?