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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    Romania and Bulgaria don't have much of a choice here: We want to join Schengen
    good, that's how it should be.

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    Well, proper source link pending (AFP reported this, but their website so far makes it challenging to find their own articles), but the polish president says the PM's words were misunderstood. Apparently he meant Poland will not supply Ukraine with the latest, modern tech they are arming themselves with.

    So much russian copium wasted for a potential election trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Well, proper source link pending (AFP reported this, but their website so far makes it challenging to find their own articles), but the polish president says the PM's words were misunderstood. Apparently he meant Poland will not supply Ukraine with the latest, modern tech they are arming themselves with.

    So much russian copium wasted for a potential election trick.
    I mean... obviously Poland isn't going to give Ukraine the newest toys they just bought. (Can you imagine: hey Ukraine! Want these k-9's and other Korean tanks and material?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Well, proper source link pending (AFP reported this, but their website so far makes it challenging to find their own articles), but the polish president says the PM's words were misunderstood. Apparently he meant Poland will not supply Ukraine with the latest, modern tech they are arming themselves with.

    So much russian copium wasted for a potential election trick.
    Eh, I don't believe him tbh. The Polish government is still extraordinarily right-wing and extremely nationalistic to the point it really doesn't like any other nation. Ukraine was just a means to an end for them (Make Russia bleed) and they wanted the votes for the upcoming election. Likely someone from another NATO capital got on the phone and was like "What the hell are you doing?!", that or the announcement went down harder than the titanic when it was first mentioned among their core voters.

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    What matters, in the end, is the votes and it's not the best time to be giving away freebies before the elections, when there is plenty of local problem to toss $$ at.

    It's just the usual, same old, pre-elections push. Just like Erdogan did with his hard stance on the West before the elections and then flipping to Prince Charming after his ass was secured for another 6 years.

  6. #34946
    Seems like the Azeri's killed 4 senior russians by 'accident' - a captain, a lt. colonel and 2 colonels. One of the was a Captain First Rank (Colonel), and was deputy commander of the peacekeepers. On top of that he was deputy commander of the North Fleet submarine forces. Thats a weird place for a senior submarine commander to be.

    The Azeri's have apologised and pootin seems to have just shrugged the deaths off. He doesn't want to offend the Azeri's, and by extension, the Turks.

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    Due to a shortage of gasoline and diesel, russia has temporarily banned exports to all but 4 countries (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan) in an effort to stabilise the domestic market. Apparently it had been especially painful in russia's breadbasket, where it was needed for harvesting.

    Somehow russia is having fuel shortages despite it being a major producer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Eh, I don't believe him tbh. The Polish government is still extraordinarily right-wing and extremely nationalistic to the point it really doesn't like any other nation. Ukraine was just a means to an end for them (Make Russia bleed) and they wanted the votes for the upcoming election. Likely someone from another NATO capital got on the phone and was like "What the hell are you doing?!", that or the announcement went down harder than the titanic when it was first mentioned among their core voters.
    Poles generally hate Russia a whole lot more than the grievances they have with Ukraine.

    It’s election posturing with the next general election in Poland being October 15th, not a genuine intention to ditch supporting Ukraine in kicking the Russians back behind their own side of the border.

  8. #34948
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Poles generally hate Russia a whole lot more than the grievances they have with Ukraine.

    It’s election posturing with the next general election in Poland being October 15th, not a genuine intention to ditch supporting Ukraine in kicking the Russians back behind their own side of the border.
    That might be the case, but that doesn't change the fact that Poland AND Ukraine (they bear joint responsibility for this) have handed a free optics win for Russia that so far had very very little to show.

    Fact is that a "coalition" of usual suspects might just soon emerge that could seriously hinder the continued support of Ukraine.

    https://apnews.com/article/slovakia-...ff9e8e6e830694

    The front-runner in Slovakia's upcoming elections is openly running on a platform outright promising to not just stop aiding Ukraine but to use Slovakia's veto in the EU to halt further EU assistance to Ukraine and to unravel the Russian sanctions scheme. One outlier like Hungary can be, somewhat reigned in. But if Slovakia turns, Hungary will follow suit, ABSOLUTELY 100% CERTAINLY followed by the Austrians who so far mostly just sat things out, grumbling on the sidelines in Russia's favor and doing as much as they were able to fully evade the sanctions scheme.

    This scenario is EXACTLY what the Russians have been banking on and trying to provoke. They thought they could trigger it with the energy blackmail, but ultimately it seems that grain exports might just be thing that triggers this.

    As much as we'd like to think we can reign this is in, the reality is that cracks are showing and a serious diplomatic effort is absolutely necessary now to get everyone back in line before the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Seems like the Azeri's killed 4 senior russians by 'accident' - a captain, a lt. colonel and 2 colonels. One of the was a Captain First Rank (Colonel), and was deputy commander of the peacekeepers. On top of that he was deputy commander of the North Fleet submarine forces. Thats a weird place for a senior submarine commander to be.

    Leave it to russia to lose two sub commanders, one in the mountains of another unrelated country at that and a sub in a land war they initiated...

  10. #34950
    Looks like russian air defence has failed again - someone just dropped cruise missiles on the black sea fleet headquarters in Sevastopol. Hopefully they bagged an admiral or two.

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    The Black Sea fleet HQ isn't looking particularly happy after the strike.

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    Someone important must've gotten hit, russia is admitting that a serviceman is unaccounted for after the Sevastopol strikes.


    Sokolov, commander of the Black Sea Fleet, may have been liquidated
    Last edited by Iphie; 2023-09-22 at 10:42 PM.

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    Moment of arrival of the cruise missile. In the middle of the day so there would have been plenty of military personnel working in the building. And the bystanders just watching on completely unphased.

    Slowed down and zoomed in. Yeah, that's a big hit.

    It may have been a timed strike to hit a meeting of senior leadership - besides the commander of the black sea fleet, there were also reportedly 2 senior generals severely injured, one of whom commanded the southern front where Ukraine is attacking.

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    Also news that finally Ukraine will be given ATACMS, though only a small number of them.
    Last edited by Corvus; 2023-09-22 at 11:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Looks like russian air defence has failed again - someone just dropped cruise missiles on the black sea fleet headquarters in Sevastopol. Hopefully they bagged an admiral or two.

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    The Black Sea fleet HQ isn't looking particularly happy after the strike.
    Considering the hits the Ukrainians have been doing on air defenses on Crimea in the weeks leading up to this, it might not have been a case of air defense failing...but rather air defense no longer existing.

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    Air defence was active - there is video of it in action. They claim they shot down all but 1 but the place got hit twice at least. It was already burning when the video showed a second direct hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Poles generally hate Russia a whole lot more than the grievances they have with Ukraine.

    It’s election posturing with the next general election in Poland being October 15th, not a genuine intention to ditch supporting Ukraine in kicking the Russians back behind their own side of the border.
    It's a factor, every goverment want to act strong and assertive in situation like that, but not full story. Grain conflict is real, and many people felt irritated how Ukraine acted when Poland first time in 2 years said 'no'. It's like you help someone in need, rent him apartment, help to find job, etc. but when you refuse to give him his watch you hear that you are shitty person.

    But that's pointless when we are discussing this war. Even if we take out whole humanitarian aspect and assume bad relationship between Ukraine and Poland, Russia lose in this war is key interest for Poland. Only useful idiots that listen to russian trolls can believe otherwise.

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    That beside the topic, but only grievance towards Ukraine from Poland is Volyn massacre. Poland view this as genocide, thinks Ukraine should apologize like Germans after WWII and finish exhumations, Ukraine want to see it more as local war between 1943-1947 where both sides has blood on their hands. In short, messy situation but not impossible to untangle.

    If we compare it to Poland-Russia relations... oof I don't even want to start.

  16. #34956
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Air defence was active - there is video of it in action. They claim they shot down all but 1 but the place got hit twice at least. It was already burning when the video showed a second direct hit.
    In fairness, it's pretty on brand for Russian facilities to be on fire of late. Could have just been a normal day up until the missile struck /s

  17. #34957
    The other day I remembered the fascist chuds in the US last year shooting up power substations and leaving tens of thousands of people without power for days.

    I'm wondering, how difficult would it be for Ukraine to get 2 dozen dudes and .50 cal rifles into Russia and start shooting up substations?

  18. #34958
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    The other day I remembered the fascist chuds in the US last year shooting up power substations and leaving tens of thousands of people without power for days.

    I'm wondering, how difficult would it be for Ukraine to get 2 dozen dudes and .50 cal rifles into Russia and start shooting up substations?
    what would that achieve?
    It doesn't matter how miserable the Russian people are, Putin won't order a withdrawal.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  19. #34959
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    what would that achieve?
    It doesn't matter how miserable the Russian people are, Putin won't order a withdrawal.
    Disruption to manufacturing, any other economic activity, drain on Russian resources and manpower needed to restore power, lowering morale.

    The cost to benefit ratio is massive.

  20. #34960
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Disruption to manufacturing, any other economic activity, drain on Russian resources and manpower needed to restore power, lowering morale.

    The cost to benefit ratio is massive.
    So is the suffering to not giving a shit ratio in Russia.

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