Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jonnysensible]

They probably should look at Armenia and see the writing on the wall if they expect russian support.

probably have and noticed the azeris have done some ethnic cleansing and nobody has done anything about it. doubled edged sword comparison there.

[Corvus]

Tell me, please, from where does that number, 30-40%, comes from? What sources, based on what? Because, well...

Here's just one for you - an economics professor (you know, someone who actually knows a thing or two about economies), pegs it at 60%. There are others who don't have it so high, but way above russia's claims.

If it was anywhere near as low as russia claims there would have been no need for such a massive interest rates hike recently, from 8.5 to 12% in ne hit and then another large rise a month later to 13%. You only do that if you are fighting really serious inflation, not the false numbers russia put out.

[Iphie]

probably have and noticed the azeris have done some ethnic cleansing and nobody has done anything about it. doubled edged sword comparison there.

Except NATO is already in Kosovo, *slightly* different situation.

[Easo]

Here's just one for you - an economics professor (you know, someone who actually knows a thing or two about economies), pegs it at 60%. There are others who don't have it so high, but way above russia's claims.

If it was anywhere near as low as russia claims there would have been no need for such a massive interest rates hike recently, from 8.5 to 12% in ne hit and then another large rise a month later to 13%. You only do that if you are fighting really serious inflation, not the false numbers russia put out.

Lol. "Could be" indeed. You actually believe in this age of communications that we somehow would not know if the actual prices shot up by 60%????
There is nothing stopping you, personally, from finding out - internet, phone calls, actual trip to Russia (very easy to do nowadays, even from the "unfriendly countries"). Professor? World is full of professors of all kinds.

I mean I only have couple of people in Russia whom I could call at any time and ask, in two very different cities, clearly they have been lying to me. Or maybe when I visited Russia twice during this year (oh the horror, clearly!) I also somehow did not see the prices skyrocketing, oh foolish me, not like it was my money that was exchanged for roubles.

I wonder where was your comment when Baltics were grapling with actual official 20%+ inflation last year, which still hasn't really passed.


What actually is not feeling well economics wise over there - first that's real estate business because people simply do not buy new appartments with rate that high, second, the economy is overheating as there is labour shortage.

"Because, well..."

...what? Because Russia says differently?

Because it really is not hard to actually check it, even by yourself, instead of listening to insanity.

They probably should look at Armenia and see the writing on the wall if they expect russian support.

I fail to remember which part of Armenia Russia has failed to support. Because Artsakh wasn't part of Armenia. You would not question the president of Armenia, would you? He was very clear in that regard.
Of course said president has been caught lying few times xD

[Egomaniac]

Because it really is not hard to actually check it, even by yourself, instead of listening to insanity.

You say it's not hard to check... so it should be pretty easy for you to prove your point.

[Easo]

You say it's not hard to check... so it should be pretty easy for you to prove your point.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/P8KufJfDvesQTTJv6

A well known restaurant in Kaliningrad - the most expensive menu item there in July was under 1k roubles, read, ~10 EUR at the time, most around 500 roubles - so 5 EUR.
Suffice to say a year ago they did not cost like 250-400, but about what they are now.


Or we can just look at Vkusno i Tochka, which you might remember as the rebrand of McDonalds:
https://vkusnoitochka.ru/menu

You think it looks like they had 30% menu price increase, let alone 60?

[Saradain]

Hehe, a peer-reviewed professor not valid information, but local moldy meat-selling McD ripoff is legit. Sub-standard living standards of russians outside of the Kremlin-protected region obviously have nothing to do with piss-cheap prices.

Sounds like sleeper troll agents have been activated in sheer desperation

[Huehuecoyotl]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/P8KufJfDvesQTTJv6

A well known restaurant in Kaliningrad - the most expensive menu item there in July was under 1k roubles, read, ~10 EUR at the time, most around 500 roubles - so 5 EUR.
Suffice to say a year ago they did not cost like 250-400, but about what they are now.


Or we can just look at Vkusno i Tochka, which you might remember as the rebrand of McDonalds:
https://vkusnoitochka.ru/menu

You think it looks like they had 30% menu price increase, let alone 60?

Are we unable to comment on the situation in Russia due to "fog of economics" then?

[Makabreska]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/P8KufJfDvesQTTJv6

A well known restaurant in Kaliningrad - the most expensive menu item there in July was under 1k roubles, read, ~10 EUR at the time, most around 500 roubles - so 5 EUR.
Suffice to say a year ago they did not cost like 250-400, but about what they are now.


Or we can just look at Vkusno i Tochka, which you might remember as the rebrand of McDonalds:
https://vkusnoitochka.ru/menu

You think it looks like they had 30% menu price increase, let alone 60?

So your "gotcha" moment is a price comparison of some restaurants vs actual research provided by economics specialists that sign their results with their names? Like, seriously? Why do we even have economics professors if all you have to do it just check the menu, eh? You still doing this thing of "ha ha y'all dumb, my Telegram sources are the real deal and everything else are memes"?

[MCMLXXXII]

Foggy wallet?

[Elder Millennial]

They probably should look at Armenia and see the writing on the wall if they expect russian support.

probably have and noticed the azeris have done some ethnic cleansing and nobody has done anything about it. doubled edged sword comparison there.

Unlike Armenia/Azerbaijan which is geographically inaccessible for NATO, Serbia is literally landlocked by NATO countries. Unless the Russians invented a teleportation device, the Serbs would be taking one helluva gambit if they tried to invade a place currently hosting NATO peacekeepers.

I don't think the Serbs are retarded enough to try.

But this situation also highlights the fact that allowing the Serbs to re-arm was a mistake.

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Foggy wallet?

Foggynomics.

[Makabreska]

Welp, pro-Russina dude once again wins election in Slovakia.

[Iphie]

Except NATO is already in Kosovo, *slightly* different situation.

did you miss this? As it seems you did.

Unlike Armenia/Azerbaijan which is geographically inaccessible for NATO, Serbia is literally landlocked by NATO countries. Unless the Russians invented a teleportation device, the Serbs would be taking one helluva gambit if they tried to invade a place currently hosting NATO peacekeepers.

I don't think the Serbs are retarded enough to try.

But this situation also highlights the fact that allowing the Serbs to re-arm was a mistake.

So yeah, I'm quite aware of that fact, and that Serbia should think real hard before going in a la russia, as they would have to go up against NATO without russia.

[Elegiac]

Are we unable to comment on the situation in Russia due to "fog of economics" then?

Dude's still trying to recover the face he lost with all the doomposting about how Ukraine was going to capitulate any day now.

We've gone from fuggoff war to fuggoff economics.

[Saradain]

Dude's still trying to recover the face he lost with all the doomposting about how Ukraine was going to capitulate any day now.

We've gone from fuggoff war to fuggoff economics.

And he comes back from a year of exile after being dismantled utterly with his propaganda talking points...appearing as a reddit neckbeard in a body of a peacock preening his feathers of disinformation with a "GOTCHA" attitude, preaching his superiority with ever-so-vague reference to "other posters" while, as always, ignoring any counter-evidence to his "claims". He's the king of the Kremlin propaganda regurgitation hill now, although the turnip payout won't be very high with that level of engagement...

[Elegiac]

And he comes back from a year of exile after being dismantled utterly with his propaganda talking points...appearing as a reddit neckbeard in a body of a peacock preening his feathers of disinformation with a "GOTCHA" attitude, preaching his superiority with ever-so-vague reference to "other posters" while, as always, ignoring any counter-evidence to his "claims". He's the king of the Kremlin propaganda regurgitation hill now, although the turnip payout won't be very high with that level of engagement...

I don't think it's necessarily intentionally malicious, per se. To quote Dan Olson:

"One of the most insidious elements of a confidence scam is that the victims who invested the most are often the most passionate defenders. Because shame is a powerful force in the human psyche, and they can't bear the shame of admitting they were tricked."

In this case, the confidence scam is the image of Russia as a global power. You see exactly the same shit with Chomsky and the other social media tankies trying to fish what remains of their credibility out of the storm drain.

[zealo]

Unlike Armenia/Azerbaijan which is geographically inaccessible for NATO, Serbia is literally landlocked by NATO countries. Unless the Russians invented a teleportation device, the Serbs would be taking one helluva gambit if they tried to invade a place currently hosting NATO peacekeepers.

I don't think the Serbs are retarded enough to try.

But this situation also highlights the fact that allowing the Serbs to re-arm was a mistake.

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Foggynomics.

It's all moot anyway, Serbia started pulling forces back again after the US reminded them what would follow if they invade Kosovo, they're not going to do shit at this time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arning-from-us

[Elder Millennial]

Welp, pro-Russina dude once again wins election in Slovakia.

That dude is legitimately concerning. The Hungarian-Slovak pro-Ruzzian alliance is really not something anyone needs at this time.

[Kallisto]

While this guy's party has more votes than any other party, does he have a road to being PM or can the other parties band together and have someone else as PM?

[Saradain]

While this guy's party has more votes than any other party, does he have a road to being PM or can the other parties band together and have someone else as PM?

Apparently they need to form a majority coalition with the other parties to make a functional goverment, which makes it hard for both sides (had any other party won).