1. #35181
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    ...said an advisor to pharaoh
    Exactly, best not bet against the Israelites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    The left still harbors some fucked up ideological allegiance to Russia as the inheritor of the USSR leftism, even if Russia itself doesn't exhibit any of the traits. Especially the old school leftists/social democrats like Erkki Tuomioja. Mainly it is product of the iNtElLeCtUaL redwine leftism upbringing that aligned itself with Russia and USSR because they hated the USA.


    ...or maybe the hate for USA was instilled by the USSR propaganda that the then leftists sucked up in their circles.
    I mean it was only Vasemistoliito who really voted against NATO in any appreciable numbers, right?

  3. #35183
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I mean it was only Vasemistoliito who really voted against NATO in any appreciable numbers, right?
    Yeah they were the only ones to overtly oppose it, but SDP is ideologically compromised as well. Just not visibly.

  4. #35184
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    The Israel conflict will be over relatively soon...
    Israel has been a conflict for thousands of years. The combatants change but the shitshow will contiune.

  5. #35185
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    ...or maybe the hate for USA was instilled by the USSR propaganda that the then leftists sucked up in their circles.
    I can't speak for Finnish politics, but in my experience, it's mostly Tankies that have a hateboner for the US / capitalism and thus approve of any non western / non capitalist government that does stuff which pisses off the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I can't speak for Finnish politics, but in my experience, it's mostly Tankies that have a hateboner for the US / capitalism and thus approve of any non western / non capitalist government that does stuff which pisses off the US.
    It's the same here. The left wing which here is fairly extensive and loathes everything US or NATO related and thus are against helping Ukraine and many will repeat the reasoning that NATO forced Russia's hand. That doesn't change that the far right also is against helping the Ukrainians; it is just under a different premise; the reasoning they like to use is that sanctioning Russia harms the economy.
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  7. #35187
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    The Israel conflict will be over relatively soon... Imagine if Ukraine completely controlled Russia's supply of food, power and drinking water...
    The Israelis themselves are projecting this to take months.

    Once the actual military operation reaches whatever their preliminary objective is one of two things will happen:

    1. Israel occupies Gaza. They'll have about half a million to 600k homeless people on their hand, with about a total of 2 million starving sick people, tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of those who just lost children, spouses, parents etc at the hands of the Israelis.

    2. Israel artificially creates the worst humanitarian disaster and ethnic cleansing we have seen in recent history by bulldozing the whole Gaza strip by displacing the entire population.

    There's a 3rd option, but the third option doesn't actually solve what Israel's current problem is.

    3. They'll bomb half the place into a smoldering ruin, create one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history AND leave Hamas in control of Gaza, while re-antagonizing every single Arab country in the region, even the ones they managed to normalize relations with.

    I'm simultaneously amused and disgusted by the inability of anyone in the press to push the question on the Israelis of -Ok. Retaliation fine. Hamas has to go. Fine. But what's the fucking plan?

    The idea that this will somehow end in any reasonable time frame, is fucking delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Especially the old school leftists/social democrats like Erkki Tuomioja.
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    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Goddamn does it please me when Örkki is upset about something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    I'm simultaneously amused and disgusted by the inability of anyone in the press to push the question on the Israelis of -Ok. Retaliation fine. Hamas has to go. Fine. But what's the fucking plan?
    Wrong thread. I'll answer in the other one but please keep things in their place.
    Last edited by Flarelaine; 2023-10-13 at 08:17 AM. Reason: wrong thread

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    Another ship appears to have met with careless smokers

    Another Russian Black Sea Fleet vessel was reportedly damaged in annexed Crimea this week, according to a video circulating on Telegram showing a warship engulfed in smoke.
    NATO vows response if the pipeline was deliberately damaged
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    Not to call them disingenuous but I do have to wonder what a "determined" response from NATO constitute, because I doubt it means boots on the ground. If they're alluding to "even more aid for Ukraine," then... they should already be providing that, by my reckoning.

    Outside of NATO, I can see this encouraging more support for Ukraine from the affected countries.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  13. #35193
    NATO will never, ever, EVER do anything. It's not even worth bringing up anymore, and I was so vigilant on it at one point too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Not to call them disingenuous but I do have to wonder what a "determined" response from NATO constitute, because I doubt it means boots on the ground. If they're alluding to "even more aid for Ukraine," then... they should already be providing that, by my reckoning.

    Outside of NATO, I can see this encouraging more support for Ukraine from the affected countries.
    I wouldn't know either, but I expect at least a strongly worded letter. I don't expect declarations of war, or missiles flying, because these incidents happened in the Economic zone not the territorial waters. Also the incident was, apparently, of a mechanical nature, meaning some idiot could have just dragged an anchor over it and it being an accident. (very unlikely but, eh.)

    Finland and Estonia are already giving a lot for their size, and they do share their own border with russia so...

    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    NATO will never, ever, EVER do anything. It's not even worth bringing up anymore, and I was so vigilant on it at one point too.
    Unless, you know, a NATO country is literally deliberately attacked. Of course.

  15. #35195
    Nato really doesn't need to do anything as russia is wrecking itself without nato getting involved.

    Just go look at Avdiivka. Someone was obviously given an order to take it at all costs. Well, they are failing at the first part but succeeding at the second. russian losses have been staggering there - thousands of men and hundreds of armoured vehicles lost in just a few days. Heck, a BTR-50 showed up in the losses, an apc from the 50s with side armour so thin that even assault rifles can penetrate it. russian authorities had to clamp down hard on milbloggers given the stories coming out.

    For whatever reason, they decided to go back to armoured columns as hasn't been seen since the start of the war and the result has been huge numbers of videos of vehicle after vehicle burning and broken. We'll never know how bad the losses have been but there was video of volunteers begging for body bags to be donated to deal with the dead and a call for medical personnel to take their holidays there to cope with the number of casualties that have flooded in.

    This is from a couple of days back and it has gotten worse for russia since then.

  16. #35196
    so now that it's clear North Korea is supporting Russia with military aid, why don't we do shit about it? I mean, Joe Biden always made statements one wrong turn would "mean the end of the Kim regime" so does this not constitute a wrong turn?
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    NK had sent stuff previously, and the word from russian troops was it was so shoddy it was a danger to them. A few years back, NK fired on a SK island and 30% of the shells failed to even hit the island. Of the rest, 50% failed to even explode. And the stuff NK is sending to russia will probably be even worse than that - they'll be offloading old shells well passed expiry date.

    And while it might sound like they are sending a lot of stuff, at the most it will only last a couple of weeks at reduced firing rates. It was only 2 days worth if they returned to fire rates of old.

    Plus SK has said they will reconsider aid to Ukraine in light of NK sending stuff. SK makes a lot of very top end gear and has huge stockpiles of ammunition as well. Congrats russia, you just unlocked SK aid to Ukraine for only a few days worth of ammo.

  18. #35198
    I just have to enjoy a big fat "LOL" when I see stuff like this...

    Simply imagine the implications of russia having to drag test vehicles out of storage just to field something
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    I've been seeing signs to "STOP THE UNJUST WAR IN UKRAINE" recently near where I live. And in smaller text "AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS" underneath it. Fucking disgusting. The first one is of course, a good message. We support Ukraine even harder so they can kick out Russia and end the war. The second one, however, explains that they don't actually mean 'stop the war', they mean "stop spending US money to help Ukraine and hurt Russia". If I had seen people putting those out there, I probably would've stopped my car and gotten into a screaming match with them. It is, unfortunately, a very common opinion held among conservatives in the USA...

  20. #35200
    Zelensky lost a lot of goodwill today after expressing he intends to visit Israel, only for Israel to rebuke that idea. He has been notably on edge over Israel's issues taking away from Ukraine's in publicity, and certain conservatives are getting very pissed off over that claiming he's acting entitled or ungrateful.
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