Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Resurgo]

Even more hilarious is that apparently the missile that took them out was from 1996

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsin..._and_launched/

[Iphie]

Interesting.

Ukraine appears to have crossed the Dnipro river

Reports of a liberated village and a firm beachhead as well as panicking russians

[Corvus]

The number of helicopters damaged or destroyed by the strike has been increased to 21.

Ukrainian troops have been staging regular crossing of the Dnipro for a long time, staging raids and tying down russian troops. This is probably one of those, but nowhere near the strength that russians are claiming (several brigades, hundreds of boats etc). They are overstating it so they can claim to have heroically beaten if off with heavy losses later on.

[Edge-]

The number of helicopters damaged or destroyed by the strike has been increased to 21.

This is just 3-day special operation, da comrade? Nice in and out. Low cost, low risk.

[Iphie]

The number of helicopters damaged or destroyed by the strike has been increased to 21.

Ukrainian troops have been staging regular crossing of the Dnipro for a long time, staging raids and tying down russian troops. This is probably one of those, but nowhere near the strength that russians are claiming (several brigades, hundreds of boats etc). They are overstating it so they can claim to have heroically beaten if off with heavy losses later on.

Except the sources I linked are Ukrainian and British...so it's not russian overstatements.

[Gabriel]

The number of helicopters damaged or destroyed by the strike has been increased to 21.

Ukrainian troops have been staging regular crossing of the Dnipro for a long time, staging raids and tying down russian troops. This is probably one of those, but nowhere near the strength that russians are claiming (several brigades, hundreds of boats etc). They are overstating it so they can claim to have heroically beaten if off with heavy losses later on.

It puts a smile on my face when Russians loses irreplaceable archeotech from the Soviet precursors civilisation.

[Corvus]

Except the sources I linked are Ukrainian and British...so it's not russian overstatements.

The Ukrainians have crossed over numerous times before. This one is a bit bigger than previous, but it appears to be company sized, which is way short of what the russians were claiming - numerous brigades, hundreds of boats. There isn't really a way to supply a major offensive across the river so at some point the Ukrainians will pull back and the russians will claim a glorious victory over massive forces with heavy losses.

Speaking of heavy losses, the Ukrainians have updated russian losses, seemingly from the last 4 days, and have claimed another 55 tanks and 130 armoured vehicles.

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Those numbers are actually meant to be just from the last 24 hours and people are saying from the videos coming out that russia made another huge attack that was smashed so the numbers may not be far off.

[Elder Millennial]

It puts a smile on my face when Russians loses irreplaceable archeotech from the Soviet precursors civilisation.

I laughed way too hard at this.

[Voidism]

This is just 3-day special operation, da comrade? Nice in and out. Low cost, low risk.

Maybe he meant 3 days on a tidally locked planet.

[Saradain]

It puts a smile on my face when Russians loses irreplaceable archeotech from the Soviet precursors civilisation.

I wish I knew you IRL after reading these kinds of magnum opuses. Chortles to relocate my drink to my nasal ducts...

[Corvus]

russian sources kindly provided a picture of one of the 'not destroyed' ka-52s after the ATACM strike.


Totally fine. Just a bit of tape and they can send it up again.

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russian sources kindly provided a picture of one of the 'not destroyed' ka-52s after the ATACM strike.



Totally fine. Just a bit of tape and they can send it up again.

Yeah sure there are some big holes in the cockpit glass and tons of other holes in the body around it. Still ready to fly, da?

[Dontrike]

Yeah sure there are some big holes in the cockpit glass and tons of other holes in the body around it. Still ready to fly, da?

The plane might be able to fly, but how long can the pilot stay in the seat before the glass is ripped off?

[Elder Millennial]

Honestly, at this point, it's clear that the Russian red lines are utterly meaningless.

NATO should just flood Ukraine with the deadliest, nastiest kit they have in store with the singular condition that "no targeting civilians and no NATO weapons used inside the internationally recognized borders of Russia", beyond that, GO HAM!

While the immediate Russian losses would be staggering and shocking, in all likelihood it would accelerate the conclusion of this conflict and on the long term save lives, both on the Ukrainian and Russian side.

The Russians can clearly hide and tolerate the slow trickle of dead, and enough Mobiks and Vatniks rotate home to create the illusion of sustainability. That illusion has to be shattered.

[Rasulis]

Ukraine uses ATACMS

Something went boom big time in Luhansk and Berdiansk.

You have to admire US military logistic divisions' ability to get the weapons into the hands of the Ukranian without alerting the Russian. We are seeing that in the Middle East also. Multiple units, squadrons and fleets transported halfway across the globe in matter of days.

My brother in-law gave me a book titled "Supplying the War". It talked about how the superior U.S. logistics has repeatedly bailed out poor planning, sub-optimal operational decisions, and tactical errors. We are seeing that right now.

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Even more hilarious is that apparently the missile that took them out was from 1996

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsin..._and_launched/

This war is being fought with weapons developed by the US in the 1980s for the purpose of stopping a Russian invasion into western Europe.

[Voidism]

russian sources kindly provided a picture of one of the 'not destroyed' ka-52s after the ATACM strike.


Totally fine. Just a bit of tape and they can send it up again.

Literally just a flesh wound /s

[Wilian]

Honestly, at this point, it's clear that the Russian red lines are utterly meaningless.

They always were. I've said it many times and I will continue to say it, the largest western failure of this war, aside from the pitiful dripfeeding of aid, was giving the rule of escalation into Russia's hand while meekly dragging feet with this or that matter. It would not be exaggeration to say that if Ukraine had a stockpile of western tanks, ATACMs, Storm Shadows, F-16s and air defence supplied from before day 1 of this latest invasion, there would have not been invasion. If that had been given 6 months into invasion, Ukraine would've had fully operational counter-attack force for this summer's assault with air- and long-range missile support.

In total it's shameful how we the west collectively still keep dragging feet. One image is enough to expose the absolute spinelesness of our support:

[Cynical Asshole]

Putin only wants to hold out until the 2024 elections, because Trump may cut support, which then means Putin can win by attrition. If Trump doesn't actually cut support despite his campaign promises (and most politicians shit on their promises once they're in the seat because they know their promises are just not feasible and were just talk so idiots vote for them), then the war will continue for years more as neither side can make a decisive play that would end the war.

A war ends when the enemy big boss is neutralized and the capitol taken. Ukraine sure as hell can't march on Moscow, and Russia sure as hell can't take Kiev, while Zelensky himself is replaceable and his demise wouldn't end the war like in Putin's case. So both armies are just jerking off until a leader decides to give up.

[Corvus]

Trump winning would be an issue for a bit, but the EU would realise he would also abandon them when russia went after the Baltics so they would increase aid to Ukraine, for their own safety.

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Oryx put down 24 helicopters for the ATACMs strike, including 15 ka52s (7 destroyed, 8 damaged, with a note those damaged are probably beyond repair. ) that brings visually confirmed ka52 loses to 59. Given they were thought to only have around 100 operational ka52s to start with, they've now lost around 60% of them

[Cynical Asshole]

Trump winning would be an issue for a bit, but the EU would realise he would also abandon them when russia went after the Baltics so they would increase aid to Ukraine, for their own safety.

Yep. That's why I seriously doubt Trump will cut support. This is beyond his ego, this makes America look weak and also seriously endangers relations with its allies if America looks unreliable in an actual situation.