Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkTZeratul]

Putin isn't the type of person who simply accepts defeat. You defeat him, he'll be back. That's why a long-lasting peace agreement is needed.

There's no such thing as a long-lasting peace agreement with Putin, because Putin has proven, repeatedly, that he has absolutely zero problem with flagrantly violating said agreement when it suits him. Remember, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons on the condition that Russia recognize and respect its sovereignty. And take a look at how that worked out for them.

[jeezusisacasual]

There's no such thing as a long-lasting peace agreement with Putin, because Putin has proven, repeatedly, that he has absolutely zero problem with flagrantly violating said agreement when it suits him. Remember, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons on the condition that Russia recognize and respect its sovereignty. And take a look at how that worked out for them.

The best deterrent to any armed conflict is to have nuclear weapons it seems.

[Gabriel]

Slovakia, one of Ukraine's staunchest allies just elected a pro-Russian Prime Minister and recently ended military aid for Ukraine.

Viktor Orban, the Prime Minister of Hungary met Putin in Beijing last month and reaffirmed ties between their countries.


US elected House Speaker Mike Johnson who generally voted against aid to Ukraine. I don't know much about this guy let alone US politics as I'm not from there, but his voting record does not look good for Ukraine.

More and more Americans are getting tired of funding the proxy war in Ukraine (https://news.gallup.com/poll/513680/...ar-charts.aspx).

Pouring in more than $50 billions while Russia continues to occupy about 1/5 of Ukrainian land is not good return on investment.

As support to Ukraine continues to fade, it is time for Ukraine's backers to force Ukraine into negotiating with Russia instead of misleading them into thinking that they can win this unwinnable war that is going nowhere while more poor Ukrainians continue to die.

The dumbest fucking thing I've heard all day.

[Iphie]

There's no such thing as a long-lasting peace agreement with Putin, because Putin has proven, repeatedly, that he has absolutely zero problem with flagrantly violating said agreement when it suits him. Remember, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons on the condition that Russia recognize and respect its sovereignty. And take a look at how that worked out for them.

That still wasn't putin who made that deal, so it's a bit of a murky one, I don't necessarily think that russia at the time was dishonest, at the same time it is awfully convenient.

[Cynical Asshole]

The best deterrent to any armed conflict is to have nuclear weapons it seems.

This is true. Nukes are the only reason why we haven't had another Napoleon or Hitler in Europe lately. When the major powers possess weapons that can turn any would-be conqueror into atoms, no one has the balls to start anything.

[Corvus]

The leader of Slovakia said they won't send any more of their military's equipment, but it's fairly irrelevant as they pretty much sent everything already. He added that he is not going to stop manufacturers selling equipment to Ukraine so a lot of it is semantics.

Plus you can't force Ukraine to do anything they don't want - they know this is an existential fight for their existence against a genocidal fascist regime which would never honour any agreements longer than it would take to rearm. Which is what happened in Chechnya.. Russia has repeatedly talked about other places like they have about Ukraine so destroying them in Ukraine is vital to preventing the war spreading elsewhere that will drag NATO in, like the Baltics. Pootie has explicitly stated he wants them as russian slaves again.

[Relapses]

This is true. Nukes are the only reason why we haven't had another Napoleon or Hitler in Europe lately. When the major powers possess weapons that can turn any would-be conqueror into atoms, no one has the balls to start anything.

I don't think it's nukes that are the deterrent. They're simply ineffective when compared to the power of disinformation. Propaganda is a far more effective tool to manipulate people than anything a dictator has been able to accomplish in the past. There's no need for a centralized strong man when you can gesture vaguely towards people who are ideologically opposed to your preconceived notions and construct an entire world view which conveniently blames them for every single problem in the world.

[postman1782]

Far from being "Mr. Kremlin". I hope Ukraine wins as Russia is clearly the aggressor here, but it's been more than 1.5 years and this war is going nowhere. The military solution clearly isn't working. It's been what, 5 months since Ukraine launched its counter-offensive? How is it going so far?




add "with poor Ukrainian blood" at the end of your sentence.
If Russia's military is being dismantled as you put it, so is Ukraine. That's why I said this war is going nowhere, both sides will just die needlessly. Russia will ultimately keep the territories they seized anyway, even if it's costly for them.

And the $50+ billion dollars is pretty much a unilateral decision by the US government isn't it? Not exactly following the will of the American people when an increasing number of the population think that US is giving too much aid to Ukraine. Guess we'll see how voters will respond to this "too much aid" in 2024.

Ukraine is winning, pretty bigly right now. They have pushed Russia back to Crimea, and Ukraine has landed troops there.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/europ...desa.%E2%80%9D

They have taken out hundreds of vehicles from Russia, so much so that Russia is bringing in Tanks from fucking WW2.

[Deus Mortis]

Ukraine is winning, pretty bigly right now. They have pushed Russia back to Crimea, and Ukraine has landed troops there.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/europ...desa.%E2%80%9D

They have taken out hundreds of vehicles from Russia, so much so that Russia is bringing in Tanks from fucking WW2.

I am 100% pro Ukraine, but some of the stuff you said needs to be corrected.

1st, neither side is currently wining, it is largely a standstill atm. The most movement currently seems to be in Avdiivka, with Russia gaining ground around the city/town, but this is coming at the cost of hundreds of vehicles and thousands of lives in just that spot. Russia continuing to do their old method of just throw bodies at the situation.

2nd, Ukraine has not pushed Russia back to Crimea, Ukraine is able to strike those areas though with their longer range missiles, but to my knowledge Crimea is still vastly out of the range of normal HIMARS.

3rd, https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ipment_losses/
Oryx: 13020 Confirmed Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
Since this is just confirmed losses that total is probably much higher.

[Edge-]

3rd, https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ipment_losses/
Oryx: 13020 Confirmed Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
Since this is just confirmed losses that total is probably much higher.

It's genuinely fucking astounding how terribly this has gone for Russia and their military, remembering that this was supposed to be a "3-day special operation". We're in the second half of the second year.

[Deus Mortis]

It's genuinely fucking astounding how terribly this has gone for Russia and their military, remembering that this was supposed to be a "3-day special operation". We're in the second half of the second year.

I have gone bald from scratching my head so much thinking what where they thinking? I am trying to think of something that this war has improved for them besides being bigger dicks to their neighbors. Their inflation keeps raising, they can't replace a lot of shit in their decaying infrastructure, 50%+ of their army's equipment has been destroyed, they have lost over 100k men with another 200k+ injured and the types of injuries coming out of this war(lots of lost limbs) are the type of injuries the person will probably need assistance of some kind for the rest of their life. Fucked up their population growth demographic even more. Been a colossal fuckup on the site of Russia so far.

I just hope the USA keeps sending them equipment. It is nice to see MRAP's on the battlefield instead of messing with protestors here at home.

[Canpinter]

I have gone bald from scratching my head so much thinking what where they thinking? .

They though they could take kyiv and cause the government to collapse before western aid could make any real difference. It's not a completely stupid plan but the Russians way underestimated the Ukrainian army's ability to stall them and how much corruption had weakened their own army.

[Iphie]

They though they could take kyiv and cause the government to collapse before western aid could make any real difference. It's not a completely stupid plan but the Russians way underestimated the Ukrainian army's ability to stall them and how much corruption had weakened their own army.

The stupidity of the plan is in the fact that putin believed the assessment of his intelligence agencies and his army. It's a fairly common pitfall for authoritarian regimes though.

[Corvus]

They are operating in pure sunk cost fallacy logic now - after flushing a dozen ships, a couple of hundred planes and helicopters and 11 thousand assorted vehicles down the drain, they don't want to pull out without something to show for it. Well, pootie doesn't. (The 300,000+ casualties don't matter to him - they are cheap and can be replaced. Vehicles, ships, planes and helicopters not so much.)

[Masark]

The 300,000+ casualties don't matter to him - they are cheap and can be replaced.

Hah. Not with Russia's demographics.

[Corvus]

Hah. Not with Russia's demographics.

Which is why the latest narrative is to try and reduce women to breeding stock again. Pregnant and in the kitchen is what the government, media and church are pushing as the role of a good russian woman.

[Gorsameth]

I have gone bald from scratching my head so much thinking what where they thinking? I am trying to think of something that this war has improved for them besides being bigger dicks to their neighbors. Their inflation keeps raising, they can't replace a lot of shit in their decaying infrastructure, 50%+ of their army's equipment has been destroyed, they have lost over 100k men with another 200k+ injured and the types of injuries coming out of this war(lots of lost limbs) are the type of injuries the person will probably need assistance of some kind for the rest of their life. Fucked up their population growth demographic even more. Been a colossal fuckup on the site of Russia so far.

I just hope the USA keeps sending them equipment. It is nice to see MRAP's on the battlefield instead of messing with protestors here at home.

They saw the easy annexation of Crimea and thought they could repeat it. And thanks to corruption and fear of speaking up no one at the top knew just how bad the state of their equipment was.

[diller]

As support to Ukraine continues to fade, it is time for Ukraine's backers to force Ukraine into negotiating with Russia instead of misleading them into thinking that they can win this unwinnable war that is going nowhere while more poor Ukrainians continue to die.

I don't think you have much grasp of the situation from a Ukrainian perspective, they are not going to negotiate even without the current support.

[TrueNeutral]

I don't think you have much grasp of the situation from a Ukrainian perspective, they are not going to negotiate even without the current support.

I think they will be inclined to negotiate when the West starts to pull support for Ukraine.

Zelensky wanted to negotiate with Russia when the war started, but he didn't accept Russia's term. Then when Ukraine actually started pushing the Russians back and recaptured some land, Comedian Zelensky's arrogant ass decided to abandon diplomacy because he thought he was winning the war (lol).
Diplomacy > War.

[Gabriel]

I think they will be inclined to negotiate when the West starts to pull support for Ukraine.

Zelensky wanted to negotiate with Russia when the war started, but he didn't accept Russia's term. Then when Ukraine actually started pushing the Russians back and recaptured some land, Comedian Zelensky's arrogant ass decided to abandon diplomacy because he thought he was winning the war (lol).
Diplomacy > War.

Fuck diplomacy with Russia. It is a waste of time.