Russian invasion of Ukraine

[TrueNeutral]

There have been protests of late by wives and mothers, quickly suppressed, but it's a change.

Of course the protests aren't about ending the war but about the terrorists getting leave. When you get mobilised in russua and sent to the war, you stay there until you are dead or crippled.

Many Russians are conscripts who are forced to fight for Putin, unlike American troops who took part in the invasion of Iraq (would you call those American invaders terrorists too?). I wouldn't label them as terrorists, just as I wouldn't call all Ukrainian soldiers Nazis just because the Azov Nazi battalion exists.

The terrorists are the politicians who failed to prevent this war and refuse to agree to a ceasefire, forcing many poor men from both sides to die in this needless conflict.

Good that they're protesting against the war. I won't be surprised if Ukrainian wives and mothers will start protesting against the war soon, and they should.

Only the West and Russia are interested in prolonging this war, whereas 85% of the world's population, which has not imposed sanctions against Russia and does not share the same enthusiasm as the West for the proxy war in Ukraine, is fed up with what is going on. People around the world are suffering.

[Gabriel]

Many Russians are conscripts who are forced to fight for Putin, unlike American troops who took part in the invasion of Iraq (would you call those American invaders terrorists too?). I wouldn't label them as terrorists, just as I wouldn't call all Ukrainian soldiers Nazis just because the Azov Nazi battalion exists.

Fuck 'em. If they are given guns, they have the option of killing their officers. If they go over the border to Ukraine, they are as good as dead meat.

The terrorists are the politicians who failed to prevent this war and refuse to agree to a ceasefire, Russians forcing many poor men from both sides Ukraine to die in this needless conflict.

Completely agree.

Good that they're protesting against the war. I won't be surprised if Ukrainian wives and mothers will start protesting against the war soon, and they should.

The Ukrainians are protesting the war all the time. With bullets to invader brains.

Only the West and Russia are interested in prolonging this war, whereas 85% of the world's population, which has not imposed sanctions against Russia and does not share the same enthusiasm as the West for the proxy war in Ukraine, is fed up with what is going on. People around the world are suffering.

Fuck everyone else. The only people who get a say in how long Ukraine continues the armed resistance against Russian invasion are Ukrainians. As long as they want to kill Russian invaders, it is the moral obligation of every person in this world to help Ukraine do just that.

[DarkTZeratul]

Only the West and Russia are interested in prolonging this war, whereas 85% of the world's population, which has not imposed sanctions against Russia and does not share the same enthusiasm as the West for the proxy war in Ukraine, is fed up with what is going on. People around the world are suffering.

This is fucking rich. You're talking about a goddamn fucking INVASION and blaming the country BEING INVADED for not willing to make peace WITH THE FUCKING INVADERS, whose only "peace terms" are "don't do anything to prevent us from invading you again." Stop stanning for the goddamn aggressors. It is none of Russia's fucking business who Ukraine allies with, be it the EU or NATO or aliens from fucking Mars if they really wanted to. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia has precisely ZERO say in how they conduct their business, and anyone who disagrees can, frankly, get fucked.

[TrueNeutral]

It is none of Russia's fucking business who Ukraine allies with, be it the EU or NATO or aliens from fucking Mars if they really wanted to. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia has precisely ZERO say in how they conduct their business, and anyone who disagrees can, frankly, get fucked.

The same applies to the US. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? Cuba is a sovereign state, and they should be able to allow the Soviets to place missiles on their land. Why did the US threaten to invade Cuba? Would the US be okay with China placing nukes on Mexican land?

This is Western hypocrisy at the highest order, no wonder 85% of the world's population do not buy into the Western narrative because they know that the West (particularly the USA) is not any less evil than Russia is. I think they're both equally evil.

I'm from the 15% country (aka one of Russia's unfriendly countries list), yet many people here are calling the US out for their hypocrisy and warmongering.

The true victim is Ukraine here. Both sides are using Ukraine as a chess piece.

[Wilian]

This is fucking rich. You're talking about a goddamn fucking INVASION and blaming the country BEING INVADED for not willing to make peace WITH THE FUCKING INVADERS, whose only "peace terms" are "don't do anything to prevent us from invading you again."

Of course he is. He is following the tried and true russobot behaviour of "feigned concern in pretense of Ukrainian support" in order to shift discussion from Russia's brutal invasion and how Russia should be dealt with to Ukraine should just give up and be subjugated because death.

He is following that method to the T and is only many of the thousands seeking to shift the focus in such fashion.

[Specialka]

Fuck 'em. If they are given guns, they have the option of killing their officers. If they go over the border to Ukraine, they are as good as dead meat.



Completely agree.



The Ukrainians are protesting the war all the time. With bullets to invader brains.




Fuck everyone else. The only people who get a say in how long Ukraine continues the armed resistance against Russian invasion are Ukrainians. As long as they want to kill Russian invaders, it is the moral obligation of every person in this world to help Ukraine do just that.

Wonder why this forum is populated by children.

[Kaleredar]

The same applies to the US. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? Cuba is a sovereign state, and they should be able to allow the Soviets to place missiles on their land. Why did the US threaten to invade Cuba? Would the US be okay with China placing nukes on Mexican land?

This is Western hypocrisy at the highest order, no wonder 85% of the world's population do not buy into the Western narrative because they know that the West (particularly the USA) is not any less evil than Russia is. I think they're both equally evil.

I'm from the 15% country (aka one of Russia's unfriendly countries list), yet many people here are calling the US out for their hypocrisy and warmongering.

The true victim is Ukraine here. Both sides are using Ukraine as a chess piece.

Hi can you cite a talking point more recent than 60 fucking years ago?

"Oh so it was okay for the US to oppose Russia installing nuclear missiles in Cuba 60 years ago, but it's NOT okay for Russia to invade Ukraine?!" ~ what you're saying



Your whataboutism is trite and uninteresting.

[TrueNeutral]

Fuck 'em. If they are given guns, they have the option of killing their officers. If they go over the border to Ukraine, they are as good as dead meat.



Completely agree.



The Ukrainians are protesting the war all the time. With bullets to invader brains.




Fuck everyone else. The only people who get a say in how long Ukraine continues the armed resistance against Russian invasion are Ukrainians. As long as they want to kill Russian invaders, it is the moral obligation of every person in this world to help Ukraine do just that.

Ukraine is the victim here. They have the right to self-defense (and they fought very bravely, I respect them), but they also have the right to be free from war. The war cannot go on forever.
Politicians should personally fight each other instead getting their people to fight and die for them.

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Hi can you cite a talking point more recent than 60 fucking years ago?

"Oh so it was okay for the US to oppose Russia installing nuclear missiles in Cuba 60 years ago, but it's NOT okay for Russia to invade Ukraine?!" ~ what you're saying



Your whataboutism is trite and uninteresting.

Not whataboutism, whataboutism is when I rationalize a wrongdoing. As I've said time and time again, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal and wrong, but Russia's security concerns are valid and should be respected. Again, would the USA be okay if China placed its nukes on Mexican soil? I mean, they're not okay with Iraq possessing imaginary nukes, thus provoking the US to invade it, so I don't imagine that they'll be ok if there were real nukes in Mexico.

[Kaleredar]

Not whataboutism, whataboutism is when I rationalize a wrongdoing.

Oh but you are. You saying "Russia is somewhat justified" is no different from you saying "Ukraine deserved to be invaded because they disrespected Russia's fee-fees."

You might as well be saying "It's wrong for a man to beat his wife, but to be fair she was late getting dinner ready."

As I've said time and time again, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal and wrong,

This is where your sentence should have ended

This is where your sentence shoul but Russia's security concerns are valid and should be respected.

But Ukraine's shouldn't?

Why the fuck do you think Ukraine wanted to join NATO/the EU?

Because of their security concerns about Russia.

And boy howdy did Ukraine's security concerns come true!

Number of times NATO has invaded Russia over the course of its entire existence: zero

Number of times Russia has invaded neighboring countries just in the past year: more than zero

Again, would the USA be okay if China placed its nukes on Mexican soil? I mean, they're not okay with Iraq possessing imaginary nukes, thus provoking the US to invade it, so I don't imagine that they'll be ok if there were real nukes in Mexico.

Yeah but see

China isn't doing that. Neither is Mexico. Your justification for Russia's actions are imaginary scenarios.



And of course you're burying the lede anyway. Whether intentionally or through your own ignorance, I don't know, but let me set the record straight. This isn't about NATO, and it never was. This is about Russia being an expansionist dictatorship run by a megalomaniac trying to recapture the glory of a brutal failed nation-state. Russia has a whole litany of excuses of why it invaded. NATO. "Russian speakers." "Ukrainian Nazis." "Zelensky corruption." They're all utter bullshit. Flimsy excuses to justify their bold-faced land grab. There is nothing more nuanced to it than that, and you fail to understand that. As I said, whether via your own ignorance or maliciousness, I don't particularly care. But that's the situation.

Russia doesn't want peace. They don't want NATO to "leave them alone" (it was doing that.) They wanted to become the next European empire. The US, the EU, and importantly Ukraine, are denying them that. And with the caliber of Russia's governance and apparent complete apathy towards its own horrors that its public displays, that's only a good thing that they are being so denied.

[Gabriel]

Ukraine is the victim here. They have the right to self-defense (and they fought very bravely, I respect them), but they also have the right to be free from war. The war cannot go on forever.
Politicians should personally fight each other instead getting their people to fight and die for them.

Indeed. The general Russian population is free to hang Putin from a lamp post at any moment.

[Corvus]

Indeed. The general Russian population is free to hang Putin from a lamp post at any moment.

They'd have to oppose the war first, which they don't. The vast majority support the war as long as they don't have to fight it themselves.

[Gabriel]

They'd have to oppose the war first, which they don't. The vast majority support the war as long as they don't have to fight it themselves.

Then kill enough of them when they cross the border to Ukraine as members of the Russian military. Either they start to oppose the war, or the world runs out of Russians. The war will end either way.

[PgStckr]

Indeed. The general Russian population is free to hang Putin from a lamp post at any moment.

so is okrainian population in regards to cocainsky, who is hellbent on grinding down all the okrainian males , it seems.

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They'd have to oppose the war first, which they don't. The vast majority support the war as long as they don't have to fight it themselves.

No, the majority does not support the war.
The majority wants the SMO to end as soon as possible. Hence the support.

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Then kill enough of them when they cross the border to Ukraine as members of the Russian military. Either they start to oppose the war, or the world runs out of Russians. The war will end either way.

There is a non-negliggible chance the world runs out of okrainians, first.

[Gabriel]

so is okrainian population in regards to cocainsky, who is hellbent on grinding down all the okrainian males , it seems.

Which is why we should give Ukraine more of even better weapons so they can stay ahead of the curve.

[PgStckr]

Many Russians are conscripts who are forced to fight for Putin

No.
Russia didn't engage a single mobilisation(conscription) wave, unlike what, 10th wave done by okraine?
I mean, just the other day Cocainsky was adviced by his western "partners" he increases conscription range to 17-71 from 18-70.

American troops who took part in the invasion of Iraq (would you call those American invaders terrorists too?)

They weren't terorrists? They didn't butcher around a million of civillian iraqi?

I wouldn't call all Ukrainian soldiers Nazis just because the Azov Nazi battalion exists.

That's nice, but sides Navoz regiment, there's Tornado, Kraken, Aidar, RDK, some others, I cannot recollect all, where nazi idiologies are on full display.
And that is not even taking in what lengths okraine regime goes to in order to opress russian language and russian-speaking people. I recall this recent bit uttered by the language ombudsman Taras Kremin, stating that "there are no russian-speaking okrainians, it's a marker incepted by Russian ideology."

The terrorists are the politicians who failed to prevent this war and refuse to agree to a ceasefire, forcing many poor men from both sides to die in this needless conflict.

Minsk 1 and 2.
Russia signed it, okraine flatout refused to stick to them.
And now we have testimonies by Merkel, Porosenko, few others, flatout stating okraine was NOT going to abide by the Minsk Agreements anyway.
So, if looking for specific politicians to blame, look no further than Pyotr Porosenko. (and probably a certain western hand up his posterior)

Good that they're protesting against the war. I won't be surprised if Ukrainian wives and mothers will start protesting against the war soon, and they should.

okrainians won't.
They celebrated burning people to death on 2,may,2014 in Odessa, because them were "colorado beetles"
They celebrated the shelling of Horlivka. They called us separatists. They were okay when we were dying. Why would they change their rhetoric, now?

Only the West and Russia are interested in prolonging this war, whereas 85% of the world's population, which has not imposed sanctions against Russia and does not share the same enthusiasm as the West for the proxy war in Ukraine, is fed up with what is going on. People around the world are suffering.

west is interested in weakening Russia.
Russia is interested in protecting it's people and security.
Who should give in, I wonder.

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Which is why we should give Ukraine more of even better weapons so they can stay ahead of the curve.

If only they could.
I have heard the famous counter-oink brought amazing results!

[Gabriel]

If only they could.
I have heard the famous counter-oink brought amazing results!

I just want to say that I really do appreciate you being here. It has been a while since we had an actual vatnik around. <3

[PgStckr]

I just want to say that I really do appreciate you being here. It has been a while since we had an actual vatnik around. <3

I just want to say that I really do find it amusing that you people don't really care what we, people of Donbass, think on the matter.
You never cared, you never asked.
But do go on, please.

[Gabriel]

I just want to say that I really do find it amusing that you people don't really care what we, people of Donbass, think on the matter.
You never cared, you never asked.
But do go on, please.

You can do what ever you want as soon as all the Russians have been pushed back to Russia.

[PgStckr]

You can do what ever you want as soon as all the Russians have been pushed back to Russia.

Come, try.

[Gabriel]

Come, try.

I believe the Ukrainians are doing that as we speak.