Russian invasion of Ukraine

[alach]

I think you are being a little extreme with your analysis here. I don't think ukraine had no chance, if it was that bad they would be being pushed back still and that's not happening at all
I think ukraine is preparing for the long haul, they are also building new production lines, working with other countries to manufacture ammunition and repair and maintain western nato vehicles. This war is no where near over, and ukraine is still in good position with the EU and others behind them, just not as loudly as before.

[Wilian]

Well, I agree that we should have done way more historically. It's on us to correct it now, especially since the West is the target of putin's wrath in the end - he intends to challenge article 5 at some future point.

Nuclear escalation management is a real thing and not something our top folks take lightly. Yes, sometimes it might feel a bit too cautious I agree but even if there is a 0.1 % chance - that's about the end of humanity basically. 1 in 1000 chance to end humanity is nothing to play around with. At least, the ones in charge don't think so. Fortunately.

The west ruled that we give up our nuclear sovereignity the moment we allowed Russia to be the owner of escalation and threat. Russia was given free reign to apply both into it's narrative and the western limp dicked reaction and appeasement over the Russian nuclear threat gave them the de facto right conduct any sort of horrific crime against humanity that they'd want in pursue of their imperialistic goals and once you give over the tools of escalation and threat, it is very difficult to re-obtain them without absolute show of power. It's a grave we as a whole dug.

A grave that we should get out of and exercise that show of power to re-obtain the geopolitical power required to conduct these modern day affairs but at current trajectory will not happen. What we'll see is continued appeasement over their threats and deteriorating support for Ukraine in wake of counter-offensive that with current level of support was bound to be what it was. And that's collectively on the West as we failed to provide them the tools required for real operational success, especially in air and in artillery. Now that is being thrown around as an excuse for seemingly lessening support and the increased narrative over Ukrainian failure and underhanded calls for peace which probably is the most disgusting example of the current outlook.

[Makabreska]

Oh hey! The guy who last time being here called us all "western shills" and went searching for a "Russian point of view" is back!

[Iphie]

Something tells me it would've been much cheaper overall, especially in lives lost, for Russia to have just asked to buy land from Ukraine instead of going to war--sorry, a three day special operation--with them.

Buy...land? From an inferior? PREPOSTEROUS! I mean that's probably what putin thinks. That and "why buy when you can take".

[Saradain]

Oh hey! The guy who last time being here called us all "western shills" and went searching for a "Russian point of view" is back!

He was oh so worried for ukrainian conscription how horrible it is to be called to defend one's country. Now he turned hostile and anti-Ukraine

Russian propaganda claims another victim.

[Easo]

The count of interesting (?) articles is accelerating. Someone is really pushing that Zelensky vs Zaluzhny angle.
Stoltenberg's "bad times" one also has to be noted. Better hope that the circus that is USA Congress will approve new aid package, as the current one is almost done.

Ukraine has a 50 trillions dollars GDP alliance behind them, Russia economy is collapsing, Russian industry is dying without western imports.

Think again.

And no, China does not want to get dragged into a war it hasn't chosen.

See the question above about where the fucking money/ammo/guns are in regards to that HUGE ASS GDP. As for dying economies, well, you better not look into Europe's heavy industry, especially that of Germany. It clearly is all going according to plan (?), any day now...

[PgStckr]

Ukraine was a willing, happy "pawn" because their interests were defending themselves against hostile foreign invaders.

By openly stating and actively trying to join the openly anti-Russia alliance.
5head right there.

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ukraine is still in good position

With a little caveat of running out of Mikolas to subdue and send to be turned into mincemeat by FABs and Sunshines.

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Buy...land? From an inferior? PREPOSTEROUS! I mean that's probably what putin thinks. That and "why buy when you can take".

In 1721, Pyotr the Great literally bought most of the Baltic lands.
Just a reminder.

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Did I ever tell you the definition, of..Preemptive Strike?

“If we telegraphed our plans on social media and on tv, we’d achieve nothing,” says Mykhailo Zabrodsky, a former commander of Ukraine’s air-assault forces, who remains close to the planning process. The lieutenant-general insists an operation to take back Crimea is not only possible, it was something that was being prepared for 2023.

https://www.economist.com/europe/202...-and-difficult

[Muzjhath]

In 1721, Pyotr the Great literally bought most of the Baltic lands.
Just a reminder.

TIL that reparations for declaring war and giving over land won during war (while returning other land -Finland) is "buying".
Sweden sceeded the Baltics, Russia stopped occupying Finland.

[PgStckr]

TIL that reparations for declaring war and giving over land won during war (while returning other land -Finland) is "buying".
Sweden sceeded the Baltics, Russia stopped occupying Finland.

Learn some more, then:
https://journal-otechestvo.ru/peter-...tkqzk479652634

I do believe finns are still grateful to Emperor Alexander the II, who gave Finland souvereignity somewhere in late 19 century.

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I'm sure this must be some KreMliN ProPaGaNdA:
https://thenationonlineng.net/nato-d...-approval/amp/

[Iphie]

In 1721, Pyotr the Great literally bought most of the Baltic lands.
Just a reminder.

putin != Pyotr the Great. No matter how much he wants to be seen as such. He is a pathetic little cretin with both an inferiority and superiority complex.

[PgStckr]

putin != Pyotr the Great. No matter how much he wants to be seen as such. He is a pathetic little cretin with both an inferiority and superiority complex.

So you confirm that Russia has a legal claim for all the Baltic lands, yes or no?

[PgStckr]

Ukrainian lives are (and has been since the beguining) just a CHEAP asset for the psychopaths in US state department to use as they please. They are a number in a spreadsheet, that's all.

Netherlands are here to back you up on it:
"Supporting Ukraine is a very cheap way to make sure that Russia with this regime is not a threat to the NATO alliance. And it's vital to continue that support," Kajsa Ollongren, the Netherlands defence minister, said.

https://www.timeturk.com/en/dutch-de...ato/news-83909

[Gabriel]

So you confirm that Russia has a legal claim for all the Baltic lands, yes or no?

Russia is free to try to take them by force if it wants to.

Do it. See what happens when you attack a NATO country.

[Azadina]

Ruskiterrorists must be getting absolutely pounded somewhere along the front, because the troll army is out in force flinging their propaganda. Couldn't be a better start for the week.

[Vankrys]

See the question above about where the fucking money/ammo/guns are in regards to that HUGE ASS GDP. As for dying economies, well, you better not look into Europe's heavy industry, especially that of Germany. It clearly is all going according to plan (?), any day now...

Germany problems are solvable, Russia's are not. Germany has a rock solid industrial complex, with state of the art technology. They made a mistake IMO by stepping away from nuclear energy and it's biting them, but that's another debate.

Russia is a glorified gas station for cheap oil and gas. They have no international industry to speak of. Even their arm sells plummeted since the beginning of the war. If this war was a showcase of Russian military industrial complex achievement, it failed catastrophically.

But up until 2022, I too though Russia military was a force to reckon. I would have guess without hesitation that Russia is the second military in the world. But right now, I'm not even sure it makes the top 5 (outside of nukes).

As for nukes, the maintenance of both warhead and delivery system is both expensive, and technologically demanding. But even if only half of Russian nuke still work, that's enough to erase any country on the word, so yeah, the west alliance is treading lightly, especially with a madman like Putin in charge.

[Iphie]

So you confirm that Russia has a legal claim for all the Baltic lands, yes or no?

No, russia has no LEGAL claim to any piece of land outside of their internationally recognised borders.

[Saradain]

Like clockwork, instant return to trolling once holiday ends. And even new names!

Truly something to behold.

[PgStckr]

No, russia has no claim to any piece of land outside of their internationally recognised borders.

So you deny that baltic lands were bought by Pyotr the Great, fair and square?

Internationally recognised borders, huh... I believe there's around a dozen or so countries which aknowledge Crimea as Russian.
Crimea returned to it's rightful place back in 2014, so almost 10 years ago.
Russia was sanctioned by the socalled civilised west for this occasion.
israel violently, with military incursion, lots of casualities, using forced population redislocation, annexed Holan Heights 40 something years ago. Only one country aknowledged Holan Heights as israeli lands. No sanctions from the socalled civilised west whatsoever.
Why.

[alach]

Anyone watch Niki Proshin from Russia on Youtube? His last video?
Not going to go into detail about it in case some people use it as an excuse to wave some russian victory flags but it does show something it not working with the sanctions, or they are putting on quite a show ala North Korea in the Interview.
Something isn't right, I hope the west finds these loopholes that russia is using and plugs them up quickly.

[Iphie]

Load of prime bull excrement

Let's be very clear: russia has NO right to any of the Baltics, NO right to Crimea and NO ONE WHO MATTERS acknowledges Crimea as russian, not even China. When I say: internationally recognized borders I say: there is no dispute and everyone agrees on them. There were borders that everyone agreed upon and russia, unilaterally violated those.

As for Israel, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that I agree with how the West is dealing with that.