Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

The fact is the human catastrophe in Palestine is just unforgivable, unforgettable. And to watch that in 4k, while psychopaths from IDF spread the most stupid lies like it's all "acting", etc. And even Biden endorse their lies. Well, that's something that will shake your head a bit, no matter how impregnated with shit your mind is.

Why do you have to bring up Israel and Gaza? We've been watching livestreams from the front lines in Ukraine since Russia chose to invade. In 4Kp60, baby. Including the atrocities the Russians committed and the mass graves.

[Corvus]

russia is pushing really hard in the information sphere of late, pushing a lot of untruths and mistruths and half-truths and using useful idiots to try and amplify it. They need support to Ukraine to stop because they are badly stuck. Problem is that while the US is having difficulties due to the useful idiots in the republican party, there is still support coming in. Finland just announced it is going to manufacture heavy artillery ammunition for Ukraine for starters, and a number of other European nations have made announcements in the last week of continuing support being sent.

November saw russia take some of its heaviest losses for the whole war, not just claimed losses but verified losses. And what did they get for a few tens of thousands of casualties? 4 square kilometers. For a month. At that rate it'll take 150 years to reach Kyiv. And casualties in the millions.

Speaking of - there seem to be a lot of russian soldiers missing. We know they invaded with 200K men, plus the Donbass puppets. As things bogged down, thew threw in almost their entire army, called up reserves, drained Donbass try of men, and sought volunteers. When that didn't work they mobilised 300k more men, took 100k more out of prisons and claim that this year had another 400k 'volunteers'. And yet they still only have 400k men in Ukraine. So somewhere along the line 600k+ men have disappeared.

They aren't being kept back training and they aren't manning the borders with NATO, so it is possible Ukraine's numbers may be close to truth. 300k dead, another 300k+ wounded and crippled.

[Edge-]

I had to bring up Israel/Gaza, because I think it is the most clear practical example of how REAL western foreign policy (led by the US) works. No matter how the media tries to clean it up, what you see there is REALITY, it's western foreign policy in practice.

This is a domestic issue for Israel. While US policy towards Israel (and other nations policy towards Israel) has a role in this overall, it remains a domestic issue for Israel and not some example of the west puppeteering states.

So, yesterday they condemned russian attacks, today they endorse israeli attacks. The blatant hypocrisy is the hint about how the real game is played, the Kissinger game. Gaza doesn't have army, navy or airforce, but a clandestine group. And ofc, they have reserves of natural gas, the big prize.

Damn, almost like the war in Ukraine and the war in Israel are to wildly different conflicts, between wildly different groups and with wildly different histories?

Though if you're going to invoke Kissinger I do hope you realize that most of this thread probably danced at the news of his death and he likely doesn't have many fans here. The dunks you think you're getting are seeming to be airballs.

I inicially thought Israel would first try a tactical/intelligence approach.

Then I'd have to guess you've spent as little time paying attention to that conflict and the history there as you have the war in Ukraine. Not getting more into it than that as this is the Russia thread, my dude.

Why? Because they heared the magical words: unconditional support. The code, the dogwhistle for the IDF. "Unconditional support" = we'll cover your genocide/ethinc cleasing/mass displacement. We'll veto anything at UN. That's real western foreign policy in practice.

It's weird how you think the US, which is a shitshow itself, is actually also secretly manipulating all these nations around the world so expertly, secretly, and effectively.

Meanwhile, the US is struggling to pass a budget because the Republican party in control of the House spent 3 weeks picking someone to lead them and the best they could do on the other end was a continuing resolution.

Like, these theories are honestly so detached from observable reality they're hilarious.

[Jastall]

The fact the you are anticipating so much info about someone you don't know gives me a hint about how sensitive this subject is. People already have full pictures in their minds. I'll delete the sig, if that's the problem, so ppl don't get offended for nothing.

"America as the literal worst thing ever while making excuses for all the rest."

America foreign policy is the worst thing ever. Period.
Feel free to disgree, but that's my genuine opinion atm.

There is no excuses for anyone, other countries do a lot of shit. It just that no other country have the material conditions, the resources, the mediatic network, the vassal states. No other country accumulated so much power to imperial levels. When a powerful empire do shit, it stinks big, everywhere.



I had to bring up Israel/Gaza, because I think it is the most clear practical example of how REAL western foreign policy (led by the US) works. No matter how the media tries to clean it up, what you see there is REALITY, it's western foreign policy in practice.

So, yesterday they condemned russian attacks, today they endorse israeli attacks. The blatant hypocrisy is the hint about how the real game is played, the Kissinger game. Gaza doesn't have army, navy or airforce, but a clandestine group. And ofc, they have reserves of natural gas, the big prize.

I inicially thought Israel would first try a tactical/intelligence approach. The guys just went straight to carpet bombing houses and building everywhere. Why? Because they heared the magical words: unconditional support. The code, the dogwhistle for the IDF. "Unconditional support" = we'll cover your genocide/ethinc cleasing/mass displacement. We'll veto anything at UN. That's real western foreign policy in practice.

The full pictures are there because the whole song and dance has been performed here and elsewhere a number of times. Don't get offended, as you like to say. It's just an observation that your opinion isn't as unique as you seem to believe.

American foreign policy isn't different from the policies of other powers like China or Russia. It's the classic realpolitik outlook of spheres and influence and crisis management (or causing a crisis and using it). The only real difference is that America's policies work more often due to 1. them being able to throw outrageous amount of resources at a problem compared to their peers, 2. having fairly reliable allies (mostly in Western Europe) and 3. usually accompanying their hegemony with actual benefits so that a fair amount of nations want to participate in it. It's no coincidence that, say, NATO keeps expanding, because the benefits of NATO are clearer the closer you get to Russia. It's no coincidence that those Asian countries that don't want to be influenced/conquered by China go to daddy USA instead. It's not about the media when it comes to higher level decisions, it's flatly because America, when it wants to, can be pretty good at showing why you should join its club, whereas others are mostly good at threatening people outside their club instead which isn't as effective most of the time.

When other powers try to add benefits to their sphere of influence, it tends to not work as well. China tried real hard with the Belt And Road business and propping out African infrastructure but the former is a massive investment money pit and the latter mostly served to trap underdeveloped countries with astronomical repayments.

Besides, going on about how bad the Americans are RE meddling on other's business in a thread about Russia outright trying to annex its neighbor out of imperialist motivations while using the most transparent bullshit as excuses is pretty gauche if you ask me. There's a thread about Israel right there where I'll definitely agree that America is not helping matters at all within the context of not only Palestine but the Middle East in general. The entire region's modern geopolitical landscape is built on one American foreign policy failure after the other across decades. It definitely shows them at their worst. But the thread is about Russia and Ukraine, which aren't in the Middle East.

[Iphie]

Speaking of - there seem to be a lot of russian soldiers missing. We know they invaded with 200K men, plus the Donbass puppets. As things bogged down, thew threw in almost their entire army, called up reserves, drained Donbass try of men, and sought volunteers. When that didn't work they mobilised 300k more men, took 100k more out of prisons and claim that this year had another 400k 'volunteers'. And yet they still only have 400k men in Ukraine. So somewhere along the line 600k+ men have disappeared.

They aren't being kept back training and they aren't manning the borders with NATO, so it is possible Ukraine's numbers may be close to truth. 300k dead, another 300k+ wounded and crippled.

That would explain the drive to glorify the 8 time mothers...

[zorkuus]

America foreign policy is the worst thing ever. Period.

M'kay... but this is the "Russian invasion of Ukraine" thread. No one should be interested to read past that asinine drivel of low effort whataboutism. I certainly wasn't.

[Edge-]

M'kay... but this is the "Russian invasion of Ukraine" thread. No one should be interested to read past that asinine drivel of low effort whataboutism. I certainly wasn't.

I believe the argument might be, "American foreign policy made Russia do it because NATO." or something, which we've seen in this thread already.

[zorkuus]

I believe the argument might be, "American foreign policy made Russia do it because NATO." or something, which we've seen in this thread already.

If they have a grievance with NATO, then attack NATO. Invading a non-NATO country and committing heinous warcrimes there isn't going to win them any sympathy.

But we all know it's all just a bunch of bullshit to disguise their real agenda of degenerate imperialism. Like the "denazifying Ukraine" bs (an argument we haven't seen from them in a while btw, what happened to that huh?).

[Corvus]

As a reminder, its the 29th anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in return for guarantees on territorial integrity and security.

Just another example that russia hasn't signed a treaty it hasn't broken or planed to break.

Oh, it wasn't just nukes they gave up, but 44 heavy bombers and more than 1000 cruise missiles.

[zorkuus]

Just another example that russia hasn't signed a treaty it hasn't broken or planed to break.

Hence doing diplomacy and negotiations with them on this matter is utterly pointless. Whatever compromises they might have to do as a result (and they would fight tooth and nail against doing any), they'll just break in the future.

[Iphie]

As a reminder, its the 29th anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in return for guarantees on territorial integrity and security.

Just another example that russia hasn't signed a treaty it hasn't broken or planed to break.

Oh, it wasn't just nukes they gave up, but 44 heavy bombers and more than 1000 cruise missiles.

Again: it wasn't putin who signed that memorandum, it was Yeltsin.

I am all for blaming russia but let's not pretend putin is such a master manipulator that he manipulated things so far back before he even became a name in politics. At the time of signing all parties may very well have been committed to it.

That is not to say I trust the current regime obviously, just that people need to get their time line in order.

[Gabriel]

Aww sweet, a new schizo.

[PosPosPos]

It's weird how you think the US, which is a shitshow itself, is actually also secretly manipulating all these nations around the world so expertly, secretly, and effectively.

It's always the "the enemy is both strong and weak" with these types, I wonder why.

[Edge-]

Elon Musk had a famous post involving Bolivia elections of 2019. Put on google "we will coup whoever we want". And he's right.

I'm unsure what an unstable billionaire shitposting on Twitter has to do with anything, but alright.

[Flarelaine]

This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Please keep other topics in their own relevant threads.

[Poopymonster]

What do you expect any leader of any nation under invasion by a much more powerful force than its own do? Seriously, let Zelinsky aside, what should have done any other president of Ukraine in these circumstances according to you? Immediately surrender? Flee? Die?

Of course a leader is going to fight back and defend its country, what the hell did you expect? And any reasonable leader would have entered any alliances he needs to in order to protect his country, his people.

I am amazed at those ruskies who think everyone should just fall over and let the red army march over them. Even the smallest country has its pride and will fight back.

Their answer is 3 simple words.
Toss. Putin's. Salad.

[zorkuus]

I'm unsure what an unstable billionaire shitposting on Twitter has to do with anything, but alright.

This guy probably gets his news from social media.

[Easo]

Ahh, good to see that assasinating ex-deputees is a thing now.
/s

[prwraith]

Shame that this has been allowed to happen. Russia really needs to be handled. The world has essentially just shown them, they can get away with murder and we'll barely lift a finger......AGAIN

[Elder Millennial]

Ahh, good to see that assasinating ex-deputees is a thing now.
/s

You mean this guy? This collaborator? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illia_Kyva

The guy who bounced around a bunch of right wing political parties, including Right Sector and eventually became Medvechucks lackey and who on the same day as the invasion started expressed support for the invasion, then fled the country, then went to Russia and askedfor Russian citizenship.

The same guy who said the Russians should nuke Ukraine and who was a mainstay on Russian media denying Ukraine's existence as an independent nation?

That guy?

So you now dropped the whole "fog of war" act and went full 100% Vatnik. Nice of you.

You're like that guy who in 1942 would go like ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

"The Czech's are now assassinating poor German police officers. Those BARBARIANS!" - That's you.