1. #35841
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Russia simply doesn't obey any common rules because it can do just that. No contract, deal, agreement with Russia is valid. Now, Russia has taken it to a new level that we need further and further sanctions to strangle them dry.
    We don't need further sanctions. We need to actually enforce the existing ones and not let it be so easy for everyone interested to make minor modifications and skirt around them.

  2. #35842
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Russia simply doesn't obey any common rules because it can do just that. No contract, deal, agreement with Russia is valid. Now, Russia has taken it to a new level that we need further and further sanctions to strangle them dry.
    I agree on principle, I just want to add that this behavior is common to all great powers. Go ask middle east, Africa and all other places that we have ravaged.

    Also, sanctions won't "strangle them them dry" as long as the majority of world's population is doing business with them.

  3. #35843
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Ahh, good to see that assasinating ex-deputees is a thing now.
    /s
    Seems like a perfectly legal target in a war.

  4. #35844
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    The lack of support from the Republicans is a good thing. Perhaps this will finally encourage the West and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table.
    A Vietnam War 2.0 is simply not sustainable. All these talk of western unity at the early stages of the war and Ukrainian military prowess didn't age well.
    The comedian Voldemort Zelensky needs to realize that the war is a stalemate; even his top general recognizes that, but comedian Zelensky is delusional.
    I think Russia will be able to conquer more land if Ukraine doesn't negotiate soon, given that support for Ukraine has dropped and Putin is boosting his troop numbers by 15% while Ukraine is running out of men to fight.
    Last edited by TrueNeutral; 2023-12-08 at 08:47 AM.

  5. #35845
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    The lack of support from the Republicans is a good thing. Perhaps this will finally encourage the West and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table. A Vietnam War 2.0 is simply not sustainable. All these talk of western unity at the early stages of the war and Ukrainian military prowess didn't age well. The comedian Voldemort Zelensky needs to realize that the war is a stalemate; even his top general recognizes that, but comedian Zelensky is delusional.
    Oh, you mean Russia needs help winning this war...which was supposed to last no more than a few days..653 days ago.

  6. #35846
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    The lack of support from the Republicans is a good thing. Perhaps this will finally encourage the West and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table.
    A Vietnam War 2.0 is simply not sustainable. All these talk of western unity at the early stages of the war and Ukrainian military prowess didn't age well.
    The comedian Voldemort Zelensky needs to realize that the war is a stalemate; even his top general recognizes that, but comedian Zelensky is delusional.
    I think Russia will be able to conquer more land if Ukraine doesn't negotiate soon, given that support for Ukraine has dropped and Putin is boosting his troop numbers by 15% while Ukraine is running out of men to fight.
    Do you honestly think Russia will not just attack again if there was a peace agreement negotiated right now?

    Why do you trust Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Do you honestly think Russia will not just attack again if there was a peace agreement negotiated right now?

    Why do you trust Russia?
    Any kind of peace agreement is only valid if it involves massive amounts of Nato troops stationed in Ukraine, near the Russian border preferably.

    Otherwise the treaty would not be worth the paper it's written on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Any kind of peace agreement is only valid if it involves massive amounts of Nato troops stationed in Ukraine, near the Russian border preferably.

    Otherwise the treaty would not be worth the paper it's written on.
    And we all know what russia's response to that would be: Нет!

  9. #35849
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    The lack of support from the Republicans is a good thing. Perhaps this will finally encourage the West and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table.
    A Vietnam War 2.0 is simply not sustainable. All these talk of western unity at the early stages of the war and Ukrainian military prowess didn't age well.
    The comedian Voldemort Zelensky needs to realize that the war is a stalemate; even his top general recognizes that, but comedian Zelensky is delusional.
    I think Russia will be able to conquer more land if Ukraine doesn't negotiate soon, given that support for Ukraine has dropped and Putin is boosting his troop numbers by 15% while Ukraine is running out of men to fight.
    Which part of this word diarrhea is supposed to be true neutral?

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    Vladimir Putin says he will run for president again in 2024 election
    I'm sure it's gonna be a close one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    The lack of support from the Republicans is a good thing. Perhaps this will finally encourage the West and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table.
    A Vietnam War 2.0 is simply not sustainable. All these talk of western unity at the early stages of the war and Ukrainian military prowess didn't age well.
    The comedian Voldemort Zelensky needs to realize that the war is a stalemate; even his top general recognizes that, but comedian Zelensky is delusional.
    I think Russia will be able to conquer more land if Ukraine doesn't negotiate soon, given that support for Ukraine has dropped and Putin is boosting his troop numbers by 15% while Ukraine is running out of men to fight.
    Once again, RuZZki, why should Russia win some land? Why should they get anything? Why hasn't the script writers for you improved in any way?

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  12. #35852
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Once again, RuZZki, why should Russia win some land? Why should they get anything? Why hasn't the script writers for you improved in any way?
    They saw what happened in Hollywood and followed suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    I'm sure it's gonna be a close one!
    Eh, he could die beforehand, or a coup could happen...

    (If he's alive he'll most likely win, but if he's dead then shit might get a bit more tricky)

  14. #35854
    Russia pushing for AI development so Putin can be "alive" forever.
    Well, Russian oligarchs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    Russia pushing for AI development so Putin can be "alive" forever.
    Well, Russian oligarchs
    They... do understand that at best, it would just be something that can imitate his style of speaking, right? Right? It wouldn't actually have all his knowledge and skills and connections...

  16. #35856
    Fuck the Olympic Committee btw. They are going to let Russian and Belorussian athletes participate next summer, just not under the Russian or Belorussian flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Fuck the Olympic Committee btw. They are going to let Russian and Belorussian athletes participate next summer, just not under the Russian or Belorussian flag.
    We've had that discussion already, people are not going to agree on this.

  18. #35858
    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    Russia pushing for AI development so Putin can be "alive" forever.
    Well, Russian oligarchs
    Their new Lenin. A grotesque reminder of the "glory days".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    We've had that discussion already, people are not going to agree on this.
    Then they need to boycott the olympics. However many countries do not have the spine for it.

  19. #35859
    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    Russia pushing for AI development so Putin can be "alive" forever.
    Well, Russian oligarchs
    I think your previous post put it perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    They saw what happened in Hollywood and followed suit.

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  20. #35860
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I agree on principle, I just want to add that this behavior is common to all great powers. Go ask middle east, Africa and all other places that we have ravaged.

    Also, sanctions won't "strangle them them dry" as long as the majority of world's population is doing business with them.
    I am not responsible for whatever other countries have done in the past. Neither is Ukraine. Russia is ravaging Africa even as we speak via at-least-former-Wagner stuff they got going on there and leeching riches. Also this is a thread about Ukraine-Russia, not whatever unrelated countries have done.

    Sanctions can always be added, if it forces Russia to become China's vassal state, all the same for me.
    Last edited by Saradain; 2023-12-08 at 04:27 PM.

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