Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.

Whether Ukraine tries to make peace with Russia or not, there’s no reason to believe that Russia won’t just keep attacking them.

In essence:

Ukraine tries to make peace with Russia = Russia attacks them
Ukraine continues to fight Russia = Russia attacks them

So you have to ask… does a temporary “peace” benefit Ukraine or russia more?

What does Ukraine benefit from a temporary peace? Very little. Russia would not allow them to seek exterior alliances, and would likely use rumors of such to predicate their next invasion, just like they did with all that shit they made up about NATO too invade the first (well, second) time. Russia likely also would not allow Ukraine to rebuild, and even if they did Russia’s subsequent attacks would likely focus on destroying those things anyway.

What does Russia have to gain from a temporary peace? Basically, everything, as we can expect them to break whatever truce is affected at their leisure. A temporary peace means russia can build up infrastructure to facilitate the next invasion, tighten up logistics, and prune the bad elements that made their initial invasion such a colossal train wreck. As it stands now, Russia can’t afford to attempt any of those things, as letting off the gas of purely throwing meat into the grinder to keep up the offensive means Ukraine could easily take the initiative and make major rebukes.

A temporary peace, done to Russia’s demands, to be broken at Russia’s discretion, only benefits one party, here. I’ll let you guess. And all the Ukrainians you’re shedding crocodile tears over who would have been “saved” by a temporary peace would only be killed by Russians quicker and more efficiently at a slightly later date.

[Azadina]

Romanticizing wars can be beautiful in a book or a movie.
Infinite war might be cool in the Marvel Universe. In reality, people usually just want to be alive and well.

Yeah, and orc terrorists raping, murdering and pillaging all over ones nation makes that impossible. So, the solution is to slaughter them until the leftovers fuck off back to orcdaria.

[Gabriel]

So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.

I've said it many times before that if the Ukrainians want to negotiate for peace then they should do what they want, but if the Ukrainians want to keep killing Russian invaders, it is the moral obligation of everyone else to help them do it.

[Specialka]

I'm pretty sure every kill in a fucking war is like that. Think McFly, think!

Nope, totally wrong. Soldiers killing soldiers in a fight are not extrajudicial killings. Killings civilians are. Think Mc Fly, think.

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Romanticizing wars can be beautiful in a book or a movie.
Infinite war might be cool in the Marvel Universe. In reality, people usually just want to be alive and well.



If the plan is a mass extermination, why they don't nuke everything? Why they are wasting time? What are they waiting for? Or maybe that's not the plan? It's insane to me that people think infine war is something nice and that there shouldn't be any effort to end this.

"Nuking the whole place" could launche a serie of chain reaction and would also render Ukraine inhabitable. You do not want a wasteland just next to your border.

[diller]

he refuses to negotiate

There is nothing to negotiate about, Russia can retreat at any point they want, then I'm pretty sure the Ukraine will stop fighting back.

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Then we need to get with the argument. If someone falls out of a vagina within dumb lines of map as another person are they super guilty as the other person. because if you go by the logic of everyone is guilty of their own crimes, not of others, then punishing random people for just being from the same landmass is stupid.

For a normal country I would agree, but most athletes in Russia ARE a product of the state.

[Gabriel]

The land is what Russia wants. Specifically, what's under the land(oil). Even more specifically, that oil should be theirs.

The populace would be a nice addition to have, but not necessary.

(in case it wasn't obvious, I don't agree with Russia)

Oil isn't the only thing Russia wants from the land. Ukraine has a significant portion of the best farmland on this planet. Nuking that would probably make crops grown in it unsuitable for export.

[Makabreska]

Still not sure why you guys keep yelling at the Russian bot, if you ignore it will eventually get sent to the front anyway like yuppie.

Oh ye, sup with the guy? He did a one alcohol binge too many?

[Twdft]

What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible?

What is there to negotiate with someone who has openly and repeatedly said they plan to exterminate the Ukrainians as a people and have specifically said they will need to eradicate a large portion of the population who cant be 'converted'.

[Corvus]

There had been negotiations early on after russia's fascistic invasion, but it ended in an apparent poisoning attempt, which says all you need to know about russia.

[Xyonai]

The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.

"Oh no, the big scary man hit me! Time to crumple and capitulate to everything he wants!"

It's like arguing that the guy breaking into your house has every right to steal your shit, fuck your wife, and shoot your dog because being a pushover is better than fighting back. Like I get it, no one who's not a total psycho -wants- to go to war, but this idea that the no one's allowed to defend themselves because 'violence bad' is so brain-dead that it's currently on life support and its family is arguing about whether or not to pull the plug.

And why is the onus on Ukraine to come to the table anyway? If you were really worried about Casualty numbers, you'd be pleading for Russia to give up because their Wounded/Killed count has soared passed Ukraine's and continues to grow.

[DarkTZeratul]

And why is the onus on Ukraine to come to the table anyway? If you were really worried about Casualty numbers, you'd be pleading for Russia to give up because their Wounded/Killed count has soared passed Ukraine's and continues to grow.

That, plus it's entirely their fault that people are getting killed, on both sides of the conflict. Both in the past and now. As has been said, they can stop the war any time they want to and go home and nobody else will suffer.

[Specialka]

That, plus it's entirely their fault that people are getting killed, on both sides of the conflict. Both in the past and now. As has been said, they can stop the war any time they want to and go home and nobody else will suffer.

I really wonder if people that writes that kind of BS really thinks it or just want to earn high morale ground points.

Would you be kind enough to enlighten me ?

[Corvus]

The view you often see put forward by those saying Ukraine should make concessions is that they need pootie to 'save face.'

He doesn't deserve it.

[Ulmita]

Another "weird" article... are they are preparing us for something?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ating-victory/

[DarkTZeratul]

The view you often see put forward by those saying Ukraine should make concessions is that they need pootie to 'save face.'

He doesn't deserve it.

He can make up some bullshit about how they left because they completed their mission and removed the Ukrainian Nazis or whatever. He made up bullshit about why they went in, I see no reason he can't make up bullshit about why they pulled out.

[Iphie]

He can make up some bullshit about how they left because they completed their mission and removed the Ukrainian Nazis or whatever. He made up bullshit about why they went in, I see no reason he can't make up bullshit about why they pulled out.

If that happens it won't be before march 17th. (And I don't believe it will happen at all.)

[Gorsameth]

Another "weird" article... are they are preparing us for something?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ating-victory/

its the telegraph....
no, they are just being their usual trash self.

[Iphie]

its the telegraph....
no, they are just being their usual trash self.

Quite rightwing isn't it? Like "De Telegraaf".

[Kallisto]

Another "weird" article... are they are preparing us for something?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ating-victory/

An opinion piece, nothing more, nothing less.

[MCMLXXXII]

Quite rightwing isn't it? Like "De Telegraaf".

Even de Telegraaf says; Also, also, also when the Telegraph is mentioned.