1. #35881
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    Still not sure why you guys keep yelling at the Russian bot, if you ignore it will eventually get sent to the front anyway like yuppie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

    That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.
    The grand solution is to keep it going until every orc, and orc wannabe are dead and buried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

    That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.
    Except russia has openly and repeatedly said they plan to exterminate the Ukrainians as a people and have specifically said they will need to eradicate a large portion of the population who cant be 'converted'.

    So is it better to die fighting or wait for the gas chambers?

  4. #35884
    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    If the plan is a mass extermination, why they don't nuke everything? Why they are wasting time? What are they waiting for? Or maybe that's not the plan? It's insane to me that people think infine war is something nice and that there shouldn't be any effort to end this.
    Just on the off chance you aren't just a massive fucking troll on a ban-evading alt account, nuking the country would both 1) ensure that they incur ACTUAL consequences from most of the rest of the world and 2) leave them unable to claim all of the resources of Ukraine.

    But given what you've written here before it's probably meaningless to point out the fucking obvious.

  5. #35885
    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

    That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.
    Yeah, right now they're only fighting because Uncle Sam is brainwashing them. Who knows what'll happen when it wears off.
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  6. #35886
    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the plan is a mass extermination, except that they can't do a mass extermination for the reasons you just described.
    Don't you think that mass extermination AND nuking are basically the same thing? So, the same consequencies 1 and 2 you mentioned would be on the table, anyway.

    Honestly, I think people were blinded by the warmongering propaganda. Every war in history, no matter how it started, had a way of finding its end.
    Dishonest troll it is, then.

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    Nukes would lead to massive consequences from near everyone, including China. China has openly said nukes are not to be used and russia can't ignore what their overlords say.

    Nukes would also irradiate the whole region, with fallout spreading across the important parts of russia, ie Moscow and St Petersburg. Hope you have your iodine tablets to hand.

    And russia doesn't want to exterminate all of them, just most of the males, leaving children to be indoctrinated and women to be used as breeding stock for more russians. The only makes left would be the quslings who would be second class citizens anyway, as can be seen in the occupied Donbas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

    That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.
    As opposed to sacrificing every Ukrainian head available by allowing Russia to fully invade and take the country over?

  9. #35889
    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.
    ruZZia has stated plenty of times that any negotiations on Ukraine's terms would be impossible. There. ruZZia doesn't want a real negotiation, where both make compromises. They just want to have their way 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.
    And when (not if, when) Russia breaks any treaty, oath, or promise they make and attack again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.
    Whether Ukraine tries to make peace with Russia or not, there’s no reason to believe that Russia won’t just keep attacking them.

    In essence:

    Ukraine tries to make peace with Russia = Russia attacks them
    Ukraine continues to fight Russia = Russia attacks them

    So you have to ask… does a temporary “peace” benefit Ukraine or russia more?

    What does Ukraine benefit from a temporary peace? Very little. Russia would not allow them to seek exterior alliances, and would likely use rumors of such to predicate their next invasion, just like they did with all that shit they made up about NATO too invade the first (well, second) time. Russia likely also would not allow Ukraine to rebuild, and even if they did Russia’s subsequent attacks would likely focus on destroying those things anyway.

    What does Russia have to gain from a temporary peace? Basically, everything, as we can expect them to break whatever truce is affected at their leisure. A temporary peace means russia can build up infrastructure to facilitate the next invasion, tighten up logistics, and prune the bad elements that made their initial invasion such a colossal train wreck. As it stands now, Russia can’t afford to attempt any of those things, as letting off the gas of purely throwing meat into the grinder to keep up the offensive means Ukraine could easily take the initiative and make major rebukes.

    A temporary peace, done to Russia’s demands, to be broken at Russia’s discretion, only benefits one party, here. I’ll let you guess. And all the Ukrainians you’re shedding crocodile tears over who would have been “saved” by a temporary peace would only be killed by Russians quicker and more efficiently at a slightly later date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    Romanticizing wars can be beautiful in a book or a movie.
    Infinite war might be cool in the Marvel Universe. In reality, people usually just want to be alive and well.
    Yeah, and orc terrorists raping, murdering and pillaging all over ones nation makes that impossible. So, the solution is to slaughter them until the leftovers fuck off back to orcdaria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    So, the grand solution is to sacrifice every ukrainian head avaliable in this magnificent plan of yours? "Fight Russia until the last ukrainian head!"

    That sounds like a very peculiar way to "care" about ukrainians. And I'm not very sure if that's what they want for them. But who knows.
    I've said it many times before that if the Ukrainians want to negotiate for peace then they should do what they want, but if the Ukrainians want to keep killing Russian invaders, it is the moral obligation of everyone else to help them do it.

  14. #35894
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    I'm pretty sure every kill in a fucking war is like that. Think McFly, think!
    Nope, totally wrong. Soldiers killing soldiers in a fight are not extrajudicial killings. Killings civilians are. Think Mc Fly, think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    Romanticizing wars can be beautiful in a book or a movie.
    Infinite war might be cool in the Marvel Universe. In reality, people usually just want to be alive and well.



    If the plan is a mass extermination, why they don't nuke everything? Why they are wasting time? What are they waiting for? Or maybe that's not the plan? It's insane to me that people think infine war is something nice and that there shouldn't be any effort to end this.
    "Nuking the whole place" could launche a serie of chain reaction and would also render Ukraine inhabitable. You do not want a wasteland just next to your border.

  15. #35895
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    he refuses to negotiate
    There is nothing to negotiate about, Russia can retreat at any point they want, then I'm pretty sure the Ukraine will stop fighting back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Then we need to get with the argument. If someone falls out of a vagina within dumb lines of map as another person are they super guilty as the other person. because if you go by the logic of everyone is guilty of their own crimes, not of others, then punishing random people for just being from the same landmass is stupid.
    For a normal country I would agree, but most athletes in Russia ARE a product of the state.

  16. #35896
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    The land is what Russia wants. Specifically, what's under the land(oil). Even more specifically, that oil should be theirs.

    The populace would be a nice addition to have, but not necessary.

    (in case it wasn't obvious, I don't agree with Russia)
    Oil isn't the only thing Russia wants from the land. Ukraine has a significant portion of the best farmland on this planet. Nuking that would probably make crops grown in it unsuitable for export.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedsaint View Post
    Still not sure why you guys keep yelling at the Russian bot, if you ignore it will eventually get sent to the front anyway like yuppie.
    Oh ye, sup with the guy? He did a one alcohol binge too many?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible?
    What is there to negotiate with someone who has openly and repeatedly said they plan to exterminate the Ukrainians as a people and have specifically said they will need to eradicate a large portion of the population who cant be 'converted'.

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    There had been negotiations early on after russia's fascistic invasion, but it ended in an apparent poisoning attempt, which says all you need to know about russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    The point was to do efforts to try to resolve and end the conflict. Try anything, I don't know exactly what it would be. What about gathering enough forces to a negotiation table and try to find a way? Do you think it's impossible? I think it would be worth a try. And if it fails, try again. And then keep trying as much as it's needed. I bet it's also cheaper.
    "Oh no, the big scary man hit me! Time to crumple and capitulate to everything he wants!"

    It's like arguing that the guy breaking into your house has every right to steal your shit, fuck your wife, and shoot your dog because being a pushover is better than fighting back. Like I get it, no one who's not a total psycho -wants- to go to war, but this idea that the no one's allowed to defend themselves because 'violence bad' is so brain-dead that it's currently on life support and its family is arguing about whether or not to pull the plug.

    And why is the onus on Ukraine to come to the table anyway? If you were really worried about Casualty numbers, you'd be pleading for Russia to give up because their Wounded/Killed count has soared passed Ukraine's and continues to grow.

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