Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Netherlands? Then again, netherlands hasnt been leftist since den Uyl somewhere in the 60's or 70's.

Jopie was from '73-'77, but we're now going full on brownshirt it seems...and Paars I and II in the 90's was left-ish...(ok, ok, yeah I know...)

[zealo]

The West doesn't even need to re-arm. We're sending surplus and old gear that is being replaced

Western armies are no weaker now then they were when Russia started its invasion.

The west does need to actively produce more shells than it is currently, on an absolutely massive scale here. If there's any lesson from this war not just for the sake of Ukraine needing more shells, it's that regular artillery is a lot more valuable in a near-peer war than what was believed before, and it's a lot better to have those shells in storage beforehand rather than needing to scramble even more when it does.

That said, any such mobilisation if it gets to a point of near-peer great power war happening, it wouldn't take decades. The likes of the US would institute a modern reincarnation of the War Production Board for mobilising and converting the economy for war at large at that point, after which vast quantities of all sorts of war materiel would start flowing.

[Huehuecoyotl]

The west does need to actively produce more shells than it is currently, on an absolutely massive scale here. If there's any lesson from this war not just for the sake of Ukraine needing more shells, it's that regular artillery is a lot more valuable in a near-peer war than what was believed before, and it's a lot better to have those shells in storage beforehand rather than needing to scramble even more when it does.

That said, any such mobilisation if it gets to a point of near-peer great power war happening, it wouldn't take decades. The likes of the US would institute a modern reincarnation of the War Production Board for mobilising and converting the economy for war at large at that point, after which vast quantities of all sorts of war materiel would start flowing.

But that would take decades, decades I tell you! Or are you suggesting that @Easo doesn't know what he's talking about?

[Corvus]

Pootie had his 'phone in' and said his goals are unchanged. He also spouted off a bunch of numbers of troops recruited and fighting - if you calculate the numbers he is admitting to 360,000 russian troops lost.

[Kokolums]

He said, and I quote "Do you not understand that West needs to rearm? Do you understand that it will take decades? What it will cost?"

Suggesting that the West couldn't retool towards armament production was the most laughable part of his post. Especially given that it would be a HUGE opportunity for the arms manufacturers to make bank.

A straight up conventional war with the usa is stupid. Putin is obviously going to use the usas own divisions against it and raise a guerrila army inside the usa, either pro-palestinian supporters, jan 6ers or both or more. As putin says, diversity is a weakness and he is exploiting that.

[Edge-]

A straight up conventional war with the usa is stupid. Putin is obviously going to use the usas own divisions against it and raise a guerrila army inside the usa, either pro-palestinian supporters, jan 6ers or both or more. As putin says, diversity is a weakness and he is exploiting that.

You really do have the most overactive imagination. If only you'd put it to good use you might be an incredible fiction writer.

[Makabreska]

A straight up conventional war with the usa is stupid. Putin is obviously going to use the usas own divisions against it and raise a guerrila army inside the usa, either pro-palestinian supporters, jan 6ers or both or more. As putin says, diversity is a weakness and he is exploiting that.

What happened with those nukes you said Putin will defo send towards USA in Nov last year?

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You really do have the most overactive imagination. If only you'd put it to good use you might be an incredible fiction writer.

Dunno, "X has fallen" movies went really bonkers in that area.

[Forogil]

But that would take decades, decades I tell you! Or are you suggesting that @Easo doesn't know what he's talking about?

Not decades, but years at least.

The ramp-up of shell production is going a bit slowly, the US has doubled production this year, but only plan to produce 100k per month in 2025 or 2026 (up from 14k at the beginning of this year) https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...illery-rounds/ https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...pentagon-says/

The EU has a similar target (well 1M per year instead of 100k per month); and a more ambitious time-table - but it seems it will not be reached https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oris-pistorius

Ukraine seems to use more than the US plans to produce already; and could certainly use more; so a surge by a factor of 7 isn't enough.

[Edge-]

Dunno, "X has fallen" movies went really bonkers in that area.

The first was dumb compared to the Jamie Foxx/Channing Tatum White House attack movie (which was quite excellent and very fun), but the sequel's really cranked up the insanity and cheese in a delightful way.

I'm honestly unsure how anyone could look at the Russian militaries achievements in Ukraine over the past few years and think that the Russian military poses a serious threat to a nation like the US in a straight up fight.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Russia is pretty busy waging a protracted "3-Day Special Operation" that's about to enter its third year pretty soon so I don't exactly think they've got tons of free resources to foment insurrections and better arm local right wing militias (honestly could they better arm them? I'd imagine most of those folks are already better armed than what Russia could reasonably try to sneak in short of some explosives which...home made, baby) and then direct them remotely. They've got their hands pretty full as-is.

[Drutt]

The EU is going to open up membership talks with Ukraine (and Moldova).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67722252

[Specialka]

The EU is going to open up membership talks with Ukraine (and Moldova).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67722252

Yey, we need more countries in EU as it is not enough hard already to get a decision and more countries which have different objectives, lower GDP or even straight up at war.

[Edge-]

Yey, we need more countries in EU as it is not enough hard already to get a decision and more countries which have different objectives, lower GDP or even straight up at war.

Ugh, allowing those gross poors in? No thank you, they're gross and icky and might think differently.

[Specialka]

Ugh, allowing those gross poors in? No thank you, they're gross and icky and might think differently.

No, they simply have different objectives which lead to decision being harder to be taken, etc... It was already hard to get a consensus at 7 countries, it is extremely hard at 27. Imagine with even more.

[Saradain]

No, they simply have different objectives which lead to decision being harder to be taken, etc... It was already hard to get a consensus at 7 countries, it is extremely hard at 27. Imagine with even more.

We don't really need Hungary in the EU anyway. European Union member which actively sabotages the EU...Putin's friends can ally with him, and pretend something will be different if they need Russia's help like Armenia relied on

[Specialka]

We don't really need Hungary in the EU anyway. European Union member which actively sabotages the EU...Putin's friends can ally with him, and pretend something will be different if they need Russia's help like Armenia relied on

Sure, if I was able to kick out country from the EU, Hungary would be the first to go with Poland being a close second.

[Saradain]

Sure, if I was able to kick out country from the EU, Hungary would be the first to go with Poland being a close second.

And I don't blame you for that opinion. Poland getting removed is somewhat sensible given how they do shit there. A pity my wife is polish so I would still have to endure traveling there whether Poland remains in the EU or not

[Shadowferal]

A straight up conventional war with the usa is stupid. Putin is obviously going to use the usas own divisions against it and raise a guerrila army inside the usa, either pro-palestinian supporters, jan 6ers or both or more. As putin says, diversity is a weakness and he is exploiting that.

Seems to me someone said something similar last year. Let us know when it happens...again. Since I seemed to have missed it before.

[Makabreska]

And I don't blame you for that opinion. Poland getting removed is somewhat sensible given how they do shit there. A pity my wife is polish so I would still have to endure traveling there whether Poland remains in the EU or not

That polish anti-EU gov just got booted. The new one is back to having normal EU relations. Orban is getting more and more alone.

[Xyonai]

A straight up conventional war with the usa is stupid. Putin is obviously going to use the usas own divisions against it and raise a guerrila army inside the usa, either pro-palestinian supporters, jan 6ers or both or more. As putin says, diversity is a weakness and he is exploiting that.

The types of people Right wing propaganda has cultivated that'd even attempt to start a violent insurrection are also so violently paranoid that they'd turn on each-other for being Feds and go nowhere.

Also miss me with that 'Diversity is weakness' shit, it's only a 'weakness' insomuch that Nationalist dipshits think it is. Just like every other imaginary problem right wingers conjure up so they can be mad about something.

[Logwyn]

Russia is committing genocide now? I can't find the news story.