Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

I mean secure the nukes themselves so no future warlord can use them.

One thing at a time, first get those who can authorise the deployment, then get to the nukes. if you start by securing nukes then some can still be fired before you get to them, that's kinda the theory of deterrent.

[Belize]

If such a breakup were to inevitably happen I would not be surprised if NATO and China went on a joint mission to secure former Russia's nuclear arsenal to prevent exactly that.

Call me a cynic, but I don't think "NATO barging in to secure the nuclear weapons" is a realistic approach to the problem at hand in the event of a Russian breakup. Likely, it would be various military commanders rising to power in the different regions, and they would know where their weapons are located, and how to launch them. We'd just go back to the nuclear stalemate of "fuck off or I blow your city centers up".

[Azadina]

Call me a cynic, but I don't think "NATO barging in to secure the nuclear weapons" is a realistic approach to the problem at hand in the event of a Russian breakup. Likely, it would be various military commanders rising to power in the different regions, and they would know where their weapons are located, and how to launch them. We'd just go back to the nuclear stalemate of "fuck off or I blow your city centers up".

Some of those warlords might be favorable towards west, with only few of them Putlerists. A much preferable outcome to the current massive terrorist state. Also, the nuclear threat isn't that bad from couple warlords who might control minor arsenals. Pre-emptive strikes would be back on the table for possible solution to that.

I'd take it any day over the current one.

[Corvus]

Nukes don't work that way. Unless you have the codes, and any regional warlord won't, there isn't much you can do with them.

[alach]

Think we are getting ahead of ourselves, of course it's nice to imagine but thanks to Trumps people in the states and in Europe, Ukraine is getting seriously hamstrung. This is gonna be a rough winter for them.

[DarkTZeratul]

Nukes don't work that way. Unless you have the codes, and any regional warlord won't, there isn't much you can do with them.

You're assuming that their only option is to use the existing nuclear infrastructure in exactly the way it was meant to be used. Don't need a code to physically break open the silo and remount the warhead on something smaller and less Cold War-era.

[Iphie]

You're assuming that their only option is to use the existing nuclear infrastructure in exactly the way it was meant to be used. Don't need a code to physically break open the silo and remount the warhead on something smaller and less Cold War-era.

Yeah...about that, that's not very likely to work very well. Nuclear weapons are still rather precise weapons you can't just pry one open and place the warhead into something else.

[DarkTZeratul]

Yeah...about that, that's not very likely to work very well. Nuclear weapons are still rather precise weapons you can't just pry one open and place the warhead into something else.

Less so than you might think, to be honest, and I have to imagine that the workings of half century-old Soviet nuclear bomb can be readily obtained if one knows where to look. And either way, there's still a lot of bad shit one could do with a nuclear warhead that aren't "use the existing systems to launch the existing missile as-is," going all the way down the scale of complexity to simply removing the fissible material to make a dirty bomb.

[alach]

Putins 2 year plan...

Dec 15, 2023 - ISW Press

German outlet BILD stated on December 14 that unspecified intelligence findings and sources indicate that Russia plans to occupy Ukrainian territory beyond the four (illegally) annexed Ukrainian oblasts throughout 2024-2026. BILD stated that Russia plans to capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts and up to the Oskil River in Kharkiv Oblast by the end of 2024.

Doesnt sound like he has any intention on stopping.

[Gabriel]

Wow. Sounds like Ukraine should totally trust Russia and make a peace deal with them.

[Iphie]

Wow. Sounds like Ukraine should totally trust Russia and make a peace deal with them.

Time to sign up with the reserves...

Putin was also asked about remarks by U.S. President Joe Biden, who earlier this month claimed that Russia would attack a NATO country if he won in Ukraine.

"It is complete nonsense, and I think President Biden understands that," Putin said. "Russia has no reason, no interest, no geopolitical interest, neither economic, political nor military, to fight with NATO countries."

Oh, if pootie says he won't everything is fine, right? (now where did i put my license...)

[Corvus]

He also said the exact same thing about Ukraine.

[Gabriel]

Time to sign up with the reserves...

I've already mined my washing machine and toilet seat.

[Iphie]

He also said the exact same thing about Ukraine.

Well...not entirely as not fighting NATO is actually a good idea, and the reasons he gives are actually true (except maybe interest so he can put up big boy britches, but even then it's not in russia's best interest). The fact that he lied about Ukraine and his bogus reasons notwithstanding.

I've already mined my washing machine and toilet seat.

Lol! Joking aside, I do wonder if I'm allowed in the Finnish reserves never having served and not being Finnish you know. Maybe rear echelon? (I think I looked it up once and it seems to depend on the group?)

[Gabriel]

Lol! Joking aside, I do wonder if I'm allowed in the Finnish reserves never having served and not being Finnish you know. Maybe rear echelon? (I think I looked it up once and it seems to depend on the group?)

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think you might get to join the Reservist Union. If you are really interested in it, you can then join the courses taught by Maanpuollustus Korkeakoulu (MPKK). It is possible for people who have never served to get a "wartime" placement through that system.

[Fuiking]

Time to sign up with the reserves...



Oh, if pootie says he won't everything is fine, right? (now where did i put my license...)

didnt he then add finland is going to get its comeuppance in the same interview? sounds like he wants a little fights with NATO

[Makabreska]

didnt he then add finland is going to get its comeuppance in the same interview? sounds like he wants a little fights with NATO

Nah, he just keeps posturing and flexing, because that is the only tactic his KGB brain knows. Unfortunately for him, current conflict exposed hard Russian military.

[Forogil]

Nah, he just keeps posturing and flexing, because that is the only tactic his KGB brain knows. Unfortunately for him, current conflict exposed hard Russian military.

True.

However, it also creates a future problem: some people in Russia might also believe the propaganda and start such a war in the future, thinking that it will be an easy win. But that's a problem for the future - we first have to deal with the current situation.

[Saradain]

True.

However, it also creates a future problem: some people in Russia might also believe the propaganda and start such a war in the future, thinking that it will be an easy win. But that's a problem for the future - we first have to deal with the current situation.

Russia is rewriting history regarding Finland all the time anyway, such as Finland "having death camps for soviets" during the Winter War etc etc...Nothing new. And pushing refugees through the border, closing gates after...

[Makabreska]

True.

However, it also creates a future problem: some people in Russia might also believe the propaganda and start such a war in the future, thinking that it will be an easy win. But that's a problem for the future - we first have to deal with the current situation.

If they keep thinking like that after Ukraine, then there is no helping them.

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Russia is rewriting history regarding Finland all the time anyway, such as Finland "having death camps for soviets" during the Winter War etc etc...Nothing new. And pushing refugees through the border, closing gates after...

Russia been rewriting history everywhere since the revolution, nothing new really.