Russian invasion of Ukraine

[TrueNeutral]

Interesting.. the Kiev regime is so desperate for manpower that they resort to disgusting tactics to force unwilling or unfit Ukrainians to be cannon fodders. Only those with money can bribe their way out of this war given that Ukraine is an incredibly corrupt country. I'd probably bribe my way out too, why die for a warmongering comedian in cargo pants who doesn't seek peace?

Dmytro Yefimenko, 34, a shop owner, is of prime draft age, but he broke his right arm earlier this year and thought he was exempt from service. Then in June, as he was heading to a doctor’s appointment near the small western city of Vyzhnytsia, the police stopped him at a checkpoint.

“My husband was leaving the night shift in the morning, the recruiting center team blocked his way and he was taken by force to go through the medical commission,” read one message to a Kyiv-based lawyer, viewed by The Times. Another message read: “The situation is such that men in camouflage uniforms came to the institution, took the phones from the guys and took them to the recruiting office, forcing them to sign something.”

While some believe that high casualty numbers are partially to blame for aggressive conscription tactics, others point to a different reason: many Ukrainian men have either fled or bribed their way out of the draft, leaving a shrinking pool of conscripts, some of whom are supposed to be exempt from mobilization.

Among those remaining in the pool are many from impoverished circumstances.

“It’s a war for poor people,” said one Kyiv-based lawyer, requesting anonymity so as not to publicly criticize the military.

One 58-year-old taxi driver in Kitsman, who declined to give his name, fearing retribution, said the recruiters had taken his passport and returned it a few days later after he showed up for the medical screening. “There’s lawlessness here,” he said angrily.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/w...mentsContainer

I heard that the comedian-in-chief Zelensky is looking mobilize another 500k cannon fodders for his war effort. I wonder if the cheerleaders outside of Ukraine are willing to volunteer?

[Edge-]

Casual reminder that nothing is stopping Putin from just fucking off and going back to Russia, and leaving all Ukranian territory. That is the quickest end to all the bloodshed.

I won't pretend some of what is described in the article is defensible, but I find it pretty odd that suddenly the use of those tactics should justify the end of the war. Especially since like, hasn't Russia been sacking prisons and disappearing folks for military service for quite some time now? Where's the same faux outrage over their prolonged abuse of their people!?

[alach]

How is one who is defending their own land a war-monger exactly?

[AntiFascistVoter]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/w...mentsContainer

Linking directly to the comments section .... lol thats some ham-handed social manipulation.

Totally organic resentment boys. No way that Vatniks or Nashi flood forums or the comments section.

[Mayhem]

How is one who is defending their own land a war-monger exactly?

Easy, Ukraine should've acted like Austria and welcomed the dictator and his forces. /s

[zorkuus]

Someone tell the TrueRuZZian that he's projecting hard. Everything he said applies to his country.

[Deus Mortis]

Casual reminder that nothing is stopping Putin from just fucking off and going back to Russia, and leaving all Ukranian territory. That is the quickest end to all the bloodshed.

I won't pretend some of what is described in the article is defensible, but I find it pretty odd that suddenly the use of those tactics should justify the end of the war. Especially since like, hasn't Russia been sacking prisons and disappearing folks for military service for quite some time now? Where's the same faux outrage over their prolonged abuse of their people!?

You won't see it from him except some one line statement saying Russia is bad, yet he will write paragraphs on how Ukraine is bad. Somehow it is Ukraine who is wrong for you know defending their own country. Yes you are correct on Russia doing all those things for a long time now. Like two seconds of searching from a single search showing a 1yr+ and a 8m of Russia forcibly "recruiting" people. There are plenty of others throughout this war that I have seen that I can't be bothered to try and find.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ks_like_in_st/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...bilization_in/

[Corvus]

And not to forget that russia is forcing amputees back into the trenches rather than discharging them like a civilised nation. Heck, there was video yesterday of still wounded russian soldiers being returned to the front in handcuffs.

[Deus Mortis]

I heard that the comedian-in-chief Zelensky is looking mobilize another 500k cannon fodders for his war effort. I wonder if the cheerleaders outside of Ukraine are willing to volunteer?

You heard wrong. His military is the one asking him for those troops.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...iy-2023-12-19/

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday the military had proposed mobilising 450,000-500,000 more Ukrainians into the armed forces in what would mark a dramatic step up of Kyiv's war with Russia.

The Ukrainian leader told his end-of-year news conference it was a "highly sensitive" issue that the military and government would discuss before deciding whether to send the proposal to parliament.

Zelenskiy said he wanted to hear more arguments in favour of mobilising the additional people before backing such a move.

[Gabriel]

And not to forget that russia is forcing amputees back into the trenches rather than discharging them like a civilised nation. Heck, there was video yesterday of still wounded russian soldiers being returned to the front in handcuffs.

Tbf someone with their limbs blown off already has less to lose from stepping on another landmine.

[TrueNeutral]

You heard wrong. His military is the one asking him for those troops.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...iy-2023-12-19/

I did hear wrong indeed, but why is the military asking for more troops? The comedian-turned-dictator of the Kiev regime refuses to negotiate and has instead chosen to prolong a losing war, with Ukraine's cannon fodders dying every day. Naturally, the military will need to ask for more cannon fodders, which I'm sure Zelensky is more than happy to oblige.

President Putin is ready to talk. The ball is now in Zelensky's court. Does he want more poor Ukrainians to die because of his stubbornness? What is more important: lives or ego?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2023-12-19/

[Iphie]

Tbf someone with their limbs blown off already has less to lose from stepping on another landmine.

Dude! Harsh!

I did hear wrong indeed, but why is the military asking for more troops? The comedian-turned-dictator of the Kiev regime refuses to negotiate and has instead chosen to prolong a losing war, with Ukraine's cannon fodders dying every day. Naturally, the military will need to ask for more cannon fodders, which I'm sure Zelensky is more than happy to oblige.

President Putin is ready to talk. The ball is now in Zelensky's court. Does he want more poor Ukrainians to die because of his stubbornness? What is more important: lives or ego?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2023-12-19/

Thanks for telling us not to take you seriously early on in your rant.

[Calfredd]

President Putin is ready to talk. The ball is now in Zelensky's court. Does he want more poor Ukrainians to die because of his stubbornness?

As opposed to Russia killing them if he takes over the country? Rather than TrueNeutral, you look more like a Contrarian or LawfulEvil.

[Deus Mortis]

I did hear wrong indeed, but why is the military asking for more troops? The comedian-turned-dictator of the Kiev regime refuses to negotiate and has instead chosen to prolong a losing war, with Ukraine's cannon fodders dying every day. Naturally, the military will need to ask for more cannon fodders, which I'm sure Zelensky is more than happy to oblige.

President Putin is ready to talk. The ball is now in Zelensky's court. Does he want more poor Ukrainians to die because of his stubbornness? What is more important: lives or ego?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2023-12-19/

Why is Putin asking for more troops?https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...b120a1c86c9e38

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday ordered the country’s military to increase the number of troops by nearly 170,000 to a total of 1.32 million, as Moscow’s military action in Ukraine continues into its 22nd month.

From your link:

He said Russia had taken on 490,000 contract and voluntary soldiers in 2023. Next year, Russia will try to boost that contracted force to 745,000 men.

Total confirmed vehicle losses suffered by Russia with visual proof:https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

You talk about cannon fodder, why not look at what is Russia is sending at Avdiivka. Why is Putin ok with sending young men to their death for a small town that is not even in Russia? Ukraine is at least fighting to defend their country, what the fuck is Russia sending their troops to be slaughtered for?

[TrueNeutral]

As opposed to Russia killing them if he takes over the country? Rather than TrueNeutral, you look more like a Contrarian or LawfulEvil.

Putin isn't Hitler, Russia isn't Nazi Germany. There isn't going to be systematic killing of Ukrainians like the Holocaust. Putin sees Ukrainians as his fellow Slavic brothers, not that it justifies his invasion, but he doesn't want to commit genocide against Ukrainians.

At the very worst, there will be political repression in Ukraine should Russia take over the country.

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Why is Putin asking for more troops?https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...b120a1c86c9e38

From your link:


Total confirmed vehicle losses suffered by Russia:https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

You talk about cannon fodder, why not look at what is Russia is sending at Avdiivka. Why is Putin ok with sending young men to their death for a small town that is not even in Russia? Ukraine is at least fighting to defend their country, what the fuck is Russia sending their troops to be slaughtered for?

Two wrongs don't make a right. The difference is, Russia can actually win the war with all the cannon fodders they recruit whereas Ukraine will lose the war if they do not negotiate. All the cannon fodders that Ukraine recruits will not help them win the war.

[Saradain]

Putin isn't Hitler, Russia isn't Nazi Germany. There isn't going to be systematic killing of Ukrainians like the Holocaust. Putin sees Ukrainians as his fellow Slavic brothers, not that it justifies his invasion, but he doesn't want to commit genocide against Ukrainians.

At the very worst, there will be political repression in Ukraine should Russia take over the country.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. The difference is, Russia can actually win the war with all the cannon fodders they recruit whereas Ukraine will lose the war if they do not negotiate. All the cannon fodders that Ukraine recruits will not help them win the war.

Yet Nazi Russia did already, gg wp with your arguments.

[zorkuus]

Putin isn't Hitler, Russia isn't Nazi Germany. There isn't going to be systematic killing of Ukrainians like the Holocaust. Putin sees Ukrainians as his fellow Slavic brothers, not that it justifies his invasion, but he doesn't want to commit genocide against Ukrainians.

The degenerate rapist state of ruZZia is committing genocide in Ukraine. Try again.

[Deus Mortis]

Two wrongs don't make a right. The difference is, Russia can actually win the war with all the cannon fodders they recruit whereas Ukraine will lose the war if they do not negotiate. All the cannon fodders that Ukraine recruits will not help them win the war.

And the USA could easily crush Russia, I guess by your fucked up world view that gives us the right to take their entire country?

Also no one will be able to "win" this war. Both sides have already lost, with both countries already having awful citizens born/died ratio this war has only made it far worse. This does not include the brain drain Russia continues to experience, the huge stockpiles of equipment that they will never be able to build back up to. To the fact that they helped add two more countries to NATO. That numerous NATO countries are going to be increasing their military buildup. That Russia is experiencing a collapse in their military equipment sales, while USA is getting numerous new contracts. So tell me how Russia is going to "win".

[zorkuus]

And the USA could easily crush Russia, I guess by your fucked up world view that gives us the right to take their entire country?

Also no one will be able to "win" this war. Both sides have already lost, with both countries already having awful citizens born/died ratio this war has only made it far worse. This does not include the brain drain Russia continues to experience, the huge stockpiles of equipment that they will never be able to build back up to. To the fact that they helped add two more countries to NATO. That numerous NATO countries are going to be increasing their military buildup. That Russia is experiencing a collapse in their military equipment sales, while USA is getting numerous new contracts. So tell me how Russia is going to "win".

ruZZia has lost their respect in the world. Also their status and economy. Putler's legacy will be as the guy who drag ruZZia through the mud back to impoverished and isolated soviet era times, and made it a genocidal warhungry state of rapists and murderers in the eyes of the civilized world.

[Azadina]

Putin isn't Hitler, Russia isn't Nazi Germany. There isn't going to be systematic killing of Ukrainians like the Holocaust. Putin sees Ukrainians as his fellow Slavic brothers, not that it justifies his invasion, but he doesn't want to commit genocide against Ukrainians.

No, he's not. He's Vladolf Putler, a worse entity of evil. And no, RuZZia isn't Nazi Germany. It's RuZZia, a terrorist nation worse than Nazi Germany. Putler sees Ukrainians as people to rape, pillage, murder and to subjugate as servant puppets. Anything else?

Isn't there something at Avdiivka you ought to be doing for Führer Putler?