Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Ulmita]

I too get my news from questionable UAE sources interviewing a man retired in 2016

Cute. The weird articles series include gems like this
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato...-from-ukraine/

[Twdft]

Cute. The weird articles series include gems like this
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato...-from-ukraine/

I totally agree with Stoltenberg "The more we support Ukraine, the faster the war will end."

There is nothing substantial in that article. A couple absolutely obvious generalisms. You should post facts instead of feelings. Sad.

[alach]

The National from the Emirates is actually a pretty good paper.
I think we can all agree Ukraine needs that aid to succeed. The more and faster all the better. Nothing really controversial there.

[Ulmita]

I totally agree with Stoltenberg "The more we support Ukraine, the faster the war will end."

There is nothing substantial in that article. A couple absolutely obvious generalisms. You should post facts instead of feelings. Sad.

No shit. This is what everyone has been saying.

[Twdft]

No shit. This is what everyone has been saying.

Thanks for agreeing that the articles you posted contain nothing new. I wonder why you did post it? Nobody reading it learned anything at all.

[Ulmita]

Thanks for agreeing that the articles you posted contain nothing new. I wonder why you did post it? Nobody reading it learned anything at all.

The idea is that for some weeks now, the western media has switched narrative from missiles with dish washer chips, Russia fighting with shovels, to Ukraine is in trouble, Ukraine might need to give their occupied territory away etc. It's as if they are trying to shape / prepare the public.

An example of this,it's this very fresh article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/o...itary-aid.html

[Saradain]

The idea is that for some weeks now, the western media has switched narrative from missiles with dish washer chips, Russia fighting with shovels, to Ukraine is in trouble, Ukraine might need to give their occupied territory away etc. It's as if they are trying to shape / prepare the public.

An example of this,it's this very fresh article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/o...itary-aid.html

Opinion piece. It literally says that...Anyone, without any merit, if employed by the newspaper, can write an opinion "article". It does not equal to a comprehensive tactical analysis whatsoever. But you keep coping and trying to support the propaganda effort in a very russian manner.

SERGE SCHMEMANN, let's see something about him...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Schmemann

Born in France. Maybe just a coincidence, but the man grew up speaking russian, due russian parents, worked in Moscow...

[Edge-]

The idea is that for some weeks now, the western media has switched narrative from missiles with dish washer chips, Russia fighting with shovels, to Ukraine is in trouble, Ukraine might need to give their occupied territory away etc. It's as if they are trying to shape / prepare the public.

An example of this,it's this very fresh article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/o...itary-aid.html

The narrative you read is the one you find, mostly, often purely by choice because that's the narrative you want. Though I imagine this is also a case where there's a hostile reaction to things changing because if media say something then apparently it must be true forever and a fluid situation can't change or something.

Also, lol another op-ed piece shared as if it's a hard news piece. As always, I'm remarkably uninterested in what random folks in the west think that Ukraine should do, probably almost as uninterested as Ukranians are in being told what they should do by someone halfway across the world sipping tea in his jammies while tapping out that NYT op-ed piece in his cozy chair.

[Makabreska]

Classic Ulmita. Post some "Ukraine is doomed" bullshit posing as fact, get caught, "haha nvm guys". Rinse and repeat.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Classic Ulmita. Post some "Ukraine is doomed" bullshit posing as fact, get caught, "haha nvm guys". Rinse and repeat.

He's the same guy that spent all of 2014-2016 claiming "Hillary iz a WARMONGHER that wants to invade Russia!"
Same guy that want Putined to bomb Syria MORE.
Also mad that "The West" stopped Ghadaffi from doing more crimes.


Is there a fancy clinical name for this pathology?
<I hate "the West", so they cheerlead for mass murderers, mass rapits, mass kidnappers ... that also oppose The West.>

<Also, the are comically addicted to Western Media and brain slurp video games, comics, and movies.>

[Corvus]

Tankies is the term.

[Flarelaine]

Tankies is the term.

Eh, I don't know. Tankies are supposed to stand for something - one-party rule and Communism, originally - and when you face them with them wanting dictatorships they even own it. The people you find fluffing Putin are united by standing against something, mostly - the pluralistic and (by and large) meritocratic "West", most often. And when you ask them what is the ideal world they envision they will answer with platitudes that somehow tend to overlap with ethno-nationalistis or christo-fascist dogwhistles.

[Elegiac]

Eh, I don't know. Tankies are supposed to stand for something - one-party rule and Communism, originally - and when you face them with them wanting dictatorships they even own it.

And their reasons for doing so were the same as modern tankies, that being adherence to an ideology of resentment. There's not really a distinction between the two groups.

[Ulmita]

NATO as an organization or some countries that belomg to it, has been reasponsible for a LOT of misery and deaths around the planet in a massive scale.

(https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...uman/civilians)

Yes I am definitely against NATO, I've being always protesting against it, and marching for peace.

But this thread is not about me, it's about the RU - UKR war. You can start an Ulmita "tankie" thread and we can discuss the milions dead courtesy of NATO countries.

[Gorsameth]

NATO as an organization or some countries that belomg to it, has been reasponsible for a LOT of misery and deaths around the planet in a massive scale.

(https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...uman/civilians)

Yes I am definitely against NATO, I've being always protesting against it, and marching for peace.

But this thread is not about me, it's about the RU - UKR war. You can start an Ulmita "tankie" thread and we can discuss the milions dead courtesy of NATO countries.

The US is not NATO, thanks for trying but you fail utterly. Yet again.

[Gabriel]

And their reasons for doing so were the same as modern tankies, that being adherence to an ideology of resentment. There's not really a distinction between the two groups.

One is ideological and dumb, the other is just dumb.

[zealo]

Eh, I don't know. Tankies are supposed to stand for something - one-party rule and Communism, originally - and when you face them with them wanting dictatorships they even own it. The people you find fluffing Putin are united by standing against something, mostly - the pluralistic and (by and large) meritocratic "West", most often. And when you ask them what is the ideal world they envision they will answer with platitudes that somehow tend to overlap with ethno-nationalistis or christo-fascist dogwhistles.

They’re two sides of the same coin.

That modern tankies have morphed into something that revolves around AmErICa BaD as communism failed spectacularly on the world stage doesn’t make them all that different in practise, with what they stand for.

[Nymrohd]

Eh, I don't know. Tankies are supposed to stand for something - one-party rule and Communism, originally - and when you face them with them wanting dictatorships they even own it. The people you find fluffing Putin are united by standing against something, mostly - the pluralistic and (by and large) meritocratic "West", most often. And when you ask them what is the ideal world they envision they will answer with platitudes that somehow tend to overlap with ethno-nationalistis or christo-fascist dogwhistles.

Not Greek Tankies. I grew up with them. My grandfather was a WW2 resistance fighter and Communist party voter (died a few years before I was born as the torture and abuse he suffered during the Civil and after caught up with him). I've been surrounded by members of the Greek left since I was born. There is a clear hatred of NATO and the US which is based on very real events that devastated the lives of many in Greece from the Civil war and into the dictatorship. For some, the Cold War binary meant they should take the USSR's or later Russia's side. Others are better informed but that just makes them bigger nihilists (the USSR pragmatically completely abandoned the Greek Communists). We do have actual Tankies as well but the distaste for the US and NATO was part of the socialist party identity which is vastly larger than the Communists and is tied to actual events, not just ideologies.

[Makabreska]

But this thread is not about me, it's about the RU - UKR war. You can start an Ulmita "tankie" thread and we can discuss the milions dead courtesy of NATO countries.

Honey, you keep spouting thinly veiled pro-Russia bullshit, you gonna be called out. And no amount of whataboutism will change that.

[Edge-]

NATO as an organization

Is not the topic of this thread, actually. It's the Russian invasion of Ukraine.