Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkTZeratul]

Is not the topic of this thread, actually. It's the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

And, despite Russia's clumsy and obvious post ex facto attempts to justify said invasion, NATO has fuck all to do with the conflict.

[Xyonai]

NATO as an organization or some countries that belomg to it, has been reasponsible for a LOT of misery and deaths around the planet in a massive scale.

(https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...uman/civilians)

Yes I am definitely against NATO, I've being always protesting against it, and marching for peace.

But this thread is not about me, it's about the RU - UKR war. You can start an Ulmita "tankie" thread and we can discuss the milions dead courtesy of NATO countries.

"W-what about NATO!?" only really works when you're talking to people who also haven't been historically critical of western aligned war-time botches... Or really US aligned war time botches, since it's been mostly our (the US) mess the last couple decades. It's a lazy and intellectually deficient debate tactic that we've already dealt with, and by posters being far less transparent about it.

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And, despite Russia's clumsy and obvious post ex facto attempts to justify said invasion, NATO has fuck all to do with the conflict.

And, as pointed out many times by fucking everyone, Russia sticking their dick in Ukraine has just caused more countries to move further towards Western Interests (either by joining/trying to join NATO/the EU) or pulling away from Russia's sphere of influence in general because they've shown to be utterly unreliable.

Like Sweden, Finland, and even Ukraine didn't have any strong feelings about officially joining NATO until this invasion started because, fucking shocking, people don't like being invaded and would like to take steps to keep that from happening.

[Kaleredar]

NATO as an organization or some countries that belomg to it, has been reasponsible for a LOT of misery and deaths around the planet in a massive scale.

(https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...uman/civilians)

Yes I am definitely against NATO, I've being always protesting against it, and marching for peace.

But this thread is not about me, it's about the RU - UKR war. You can start an Ulmita "tankie" thread and we can discuss the milions dead courtesy of NATO countries.

Guess who has also been responsible for atrocities?

Russia.

Guess who’s actively, currently committing atrocities?

Russia.

Yet who do you have no problems carrying water for?

Russia.


You know, if you’re so charmed by Russia’s very real and observable atrocities only having been done “by NATO provocation,” then I counter with… whatever imagined slights you think NATO committed… maybe Russia made them do it!

That means you should be fine with nato now, right?

[diller]

NATO as an organization or some countries that belomg to it, has been reasponsible for a LOT of misery and deaths around the planet in a massive scale.

That wasn't NATO - some NATO countries participated in those wars but not as NATO - again, NATO had nothing to do with it.

[Belize]

Yes I am definitely against NATO, I've being always protesting against it, and marching for peace.

Can you remind me who's currently invading Ukraine? I can't seem to remember right now.

[DarkTZeratul]

You know, if you’re so charmed by Russia’s very real and observable atrocities only having been done “by NATO provocation,” then I counter with… whatever imagined slights you think NATO committed… maybe Russia made them do it!

I mean, NATO objectively exists because of Russia, so...

[Specialka]

I mean, NATO objectively exists because of Russia, so...

If you wanted to be more accurate (and objectively correct), you could have said at least USSR or the pact of Warsaw, but damn the History after all.

[Elegiac]

If you wanted to be more accurate (and objectively correct), you could have said at least USSR or the pact of Warsaw, but damn the History after all.

There have been countless instances where you personally have referred to the United States as "America" despite it being about as correct as referring to the USSR as "Russia", so climb off the high horse.

[Specialka]

There have been countless instances where you personally have referred to the United States as "America" despite it being about as correct as referring to the USSR as "Russia", so climb off the high horse.

Please quote me and I will edit those messages

[ghotihook]

Please quote me and I will edit those messages

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ht-libertarian
Post 256

"Unfortunately, New York tends to export a lot of stupid things, thanks America !"

[Specialka]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ht-libertarian
Post 256

Unfortunately, New York tends to export a lot of stupid things, thanks America !

I thought New York was, you know, in the USA and that you did not need a phd to understand that America meant the USA in that context but I will correct it so your little sad heart will stop crying

[ghotihook]

I thought New York was, you know, in the USA and that you did not need a phd to understand that America meant the USA in that context but I will correct it so your little sad heart will stop crying

You shifting goalposts don't make you sound any smarter.

[Specialka]

You shifting goalposts don't make you sound any smarter.

How is that shifting goalpost ? Being a smartass or ironic or irritating would be more precise, don't you think ?

[Elegiac]

I thought New York was, you know, in the USA and that you did not need a phd to understand that America meant the USA in that context but I will correct it so your little sad heart will stop crying

Just like we thought that you don't need a PhD to understand that saying "Russia" in the context of NATO's founding refers to the USSR. /yawn

[Specialka]

Just like we thought that you don't need a PhD to understand that saying "Russia" in the context of NATO's founding refers to the USSR. /yawn

As Russia is not really the same as USSR. Yeah, I think the precision was worth it and even more as the Pact of Warsaw (and not Russia) was a response to the creation of NATO.

[Elegiac]

As Russia is not really the same as USSR.

There have been at least four states that could be called "Russia" in the past century and a half, it's almost as if what actually matters is the context - and considering that no one here was actually confused as to what was meant by "Russia" in the context of NATO's foundation, the "precision" isn't relevant; it's a nonsense tangent designed so a pedant who has no actual argument can try and drag everyone else down and frustrate them into conceding.

Maybe your French-language nonsense arguments are of better quality, idk, but this is lame even by modern Reddit standards.

[Specialka]

There have been at least four states that could be called "Russia" in the past century and a half, it's almost as if what actually matters is the context - and considering that no one here was actually confused as to what was meant by "Russia" in the context of NATO's foundation, the "precision" isn't relevant; it's a nonsense tangent designed so a pedant who has no actual argument can try and drag everyone else down and frustrate them into conceding.

Maybe your French-language nonsense arguments are of better quality, idk, but this is lame even by modern Reddit standards.

I know that you and your ilk do not care about nuance, details and precision or even facts sometimes but they do matter.

[KrayZ33]

I know that you and your ilk do not care about nuance, details and precision or even facts sometimes but they do matter.

Jeez... just take the L buddy.
At least do what you preach yourself, you said America yourself, which isn't pecise and objectively incorrect. So why bother trolling?

[Elegiac]

I know that you and your ilk do not care about nuance

Lol and now we're on to the Starbucks hipster bullshit strategy. "Well you simply wouldn't understand my beliefs because you can't grasp the delicate nuances that form in the crevices and wrinkles of my massive brain."

Pedantry isn't nuance, Mary.

[unfilteredJW]

Lol and now we're on to the Starbucks hipster bullshit strategy. "Well you simply wouldn't understand my beliefs because you can't grasp the delicate nuances that form in the crevices and wrinkles of my massive brain."

Pedantry isn't nuance, Mary.

You can smell the fedora.