Russian invasion of Ukraine

[zealo]

Has anyone seen a Elf in this thread? They may want to hide if they live in russa or near it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-elvi...nation-1853050

It's all just yet more whining that Ukrainians have taken to referring to the invaders as orcs. Can't have their populace having a bit of fun in identifying as an elf when that fun could be interpreted as implicit opposition to the war.

[Saradain]

Wtf is this? Where the fuck this chaotic insane shit came from?!
My man, when you try to interpret text, you focus on the words written. You don't "autocomplete", project or fill what is not written with some random diarrhea dripping from your brain. And when in doubt, you can just ask like a normal person.

Breath slowly, take your meds if you have to. I'm not your enemy, I don't even know you. But if you want to have a conversation, you have to try to be normal and not behave like a psychotic zombie.

"run defense for an ex-KGB agent"
Defense? Are you on fucking drugs? Putin and Zelensky can go fuck each other in hell for all that I care.

"these so-called liberty loving Westerners"
What the actual fuck that shit means? Where did that come from?

This forum became a very weird place, for real. It used to be a place for smart discussions about everything. Now it's all about random hysterical reactions, projection, name calling. Maybe it's time to move on.

Please do, if your intention is to divert the discussion to whataboutism and to shill for russians doing a genocide in Ukraine, which this topic is about. If you can't connect the dots that have proven thousand times over that russians are acting like nazis, not good guys, then you could as well find an echo chamber that fits your propaganda.

[DarkTZeratul]

Lots of Russian apologists here falling for the rebrand after the Berlin wall fell. I never thought I'd see the day all of these so-called liberty loving Westerners would run defense for an ex-KGB agent. How do these people even reconcile those things in their heads? If they're bots that's understandable, but a lot of them are probably real people.

A certain group of people have discovered that "the West" is not, in fact, the great and the good they were told as children, and is actually bad. But because they have no real critical thinking skills, they conclude that anyone opposed to "the West" must therefore be good, and cheerlead for them instead.

[Calfredd]

Please do, if your intention is to divert the discussion to whataboutism and to shill for russians doing a genocide in Ukraine, which this topic is about. If you can't connect the dots that have proven thousand times over that russians are acting like nazis, not good guys, then you could as well find an echo chamber that fits your propaganda.

Which is weird because you can see his post history that its only been recently that they've been posting like this, like someone else is using the account.

[Saradain]

Which is weird because you can see his post history that its only been recently that they've been posting like this, like someone else is using the account.

Can only report posts and hope MMO-C staff have something to check these things out

He's not helping his cause by any means by being condescending either way. Here's hoping we don't have to witness his personal epiphanies for too long.

[Jastall]

Wtf is this? Where the fuck this chaotic insane shit came from?!
My man, when you try to interpret text, you focus on the words written. You don't "autocomplete", project or fill what is not written with some random diarrhea dripping from your brain. And when in doubt, you can just ask like a normal person.

Breath slowly, take your meds if you have to. I'm not your enemy, I don't even know you. But if you want to have a conversation, you have to try to be normal and not behave like a psychotic zombie.

"run defense for an ex-KGB agent"
Defense? Are you on fucking drugs? Putin and Zelensky can go fuck each other in hell for all that I care.

"these so-called liberty loving Westerners"
What the actual fuck that shit means? Where did that come from?

This forum became a very weird place, for real. It used to be a place for smart discussions about everything. Now it's all about random hysterical reactions, projection, name calling. Maybe it's time to move on.

Indeed, we should endeavor to be as normal and calm as you are on the subject; calling other posers psychotic zombies with diarrhea dripping from their brains who need to take their meds is the very pinnacle of smart and productive discussion after all.


Anyway, some small-time dude accidentally falling from a window into radioactive bullets isn't very surprising. I'm not even sure it's related to the war or anything, just business as usual power struggles among the lower ranks.

[Azadina]

Maybe it's time to move on.

Yup. I hear it'd be a blast to be at the Avdiivka new years party. Plenty of fireworks, and the whole show. Time of one's life for sure.

[Edge-]

And the western media will continue to switch, twist and shape the narrative as much as it pleases the interests of those who fund it.

I'm less inclined to believe there's some "narrative" and much more inclined to believe reporting just covers the state of things. Sometimes that means good news for Ukraine with victories and more supplies, sometimes that means bad news as an advance is progressing slower than anticipated or Russians are pushing back elsewhere. Wars are always evolving and changing, there's no real singular "narrative" or anything. I'd imagine there's a fair amount of pro-Ukraine bias in western media, but that's not entirely surprising or unexpected.

NATO is the armed dick of western capitalism. When the regular peasant thinks that thing is there for him, to defend his interests, it means the ideological work is done.

Remind us how many times NATO has taken actions as an alliance, again? I won't pretend every NATO action has been perfect and flawless and without criticism, but the way some folks talk about NATO you'd think NATO was actually just the US military having a global presence. US military and NATO are different, and if we want a discussion about American militarism that's for an entirely separate thread.

[Jastall]

Yeah, it's not like poeple accused me of every sort of weird shit, almost like I'm responsible for the war or gave the direct orders. But whatever.

The victim act is unconvincing. You're at best responding in kind, and at worst accusing people of being idiots from the onset because they don't follow your views. Don't be surprised if it produces very little in terms of those productive discussions you aspire to.

[Specialka]

I'm less inclined to believe there's some "narrative" and much more inclined to believe reporting just covers the state of things. Sometimes that means good news for Ukraine with victories and more supplies, sometimes that means bad news as an advance is progressing slower than anticipated or Russians are pushing back elsewhere. Wars are always evolving and changing, there's no real singular "narrative" or anything. I'd imagine there's a fair amount of pro-Ukraine bias in western media, but that's not entirely surprising or unexpected.



Remind us how many times NATO has taken actions as an alliance, again? I won't pretend every NATO action has been perfect and flawless and without criticism, but the way some folks talk about NATO you'd think NATO was actually just the US military having a global presence. US military and NATO are different, and if we want a discussion about American militarism that's for an entirely separate thread.

His point is that too many people focus on how "WE" (as in the West) see NATO rather than how NATO is seen by the rest of the world (which is everyone else). NATO is not necessarily seen as a defensive organization but also as some kind of mean of pressure.

And many people just aggregate countries, members of NATO, and NATO itself when those countries do some weird shit (like Libya and such, while NATO itself had nothing to do with it).

[Corvus]

A German media crew was in a hotel in Kharkiv known to be frequented by foreign media that was deliberately attacked by russia. None of them were harmed but their translator was wounded.

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/polit...sland-100.html

[dwarven]

Wtf is this? Where the fuck this chaotic insane shit came from?!
My man, when you try to interpret text, you focus on the words written. You don't "autocomplete", project or fill what is not written with some random diarrhea dripping from your brain. And when in doubt, you can just ask like a normal person.

Breath slowly, take your meds if you have to. I'm not your enemy, I don't even know you. But if you want to have a conversation, you have to try to be normal and not behave like a psychotic zombie.

"run defense for an ex-KGB agent"
Defense? Are you on fucking drugs? Putin and Zelensky can go fuck each other in hell for all that I care.

"these so-called liberty loving Westerners"
What the actual fuck that shit means? Where did that come from?

This forum became a very weird place, for real. It used to be a place for smart discussions about everything. Now it's all about random hysterical reactions, projection, name calling. Maybe it's time to move on.

Oh ok so you're a bot. Hard to tell if you're a Russian or Chinese one though.

[Kaleredar]

His point is that too many people focus on how "WE" (as in the West) see NATO rather than how NATO is seen by the rest of the world (which is everyone else). NATO is not necessarily seen as a defensive organization but also as some kind of mean of pressure.

And many people just aggregate countries, members of NATO, and NATO itself when those countries do some weird shit (like Libya and such, while NATO itself had nothing to do with it).

And none of this has anything to do with Russia vis-a-vis their invasion of Ukraine.

[Corvus]

Bollocks. That's straight russkie talking points. The west does not want to control Ukraine - only russia is interested in that.

And even if it was true (it's not) it would be way, way preferable compared to what russia has planned. (Genocide, mass re-education, extermination of large parts of the population who refuse to convert)

[Kaleredar]

Bollocks. That's straight russkie talking points. The west does not want to control Ukraine - only russia is interested in that.

And even if it was true (it's not) it would be way, way preferable compared to what russia has planned. (Genocide, mass re-education, extermination of large parts of the population who refuse to convert)

I think it should also be telling that even IF we were trying to contextualize this as a “the west is trying to take over Ukraine” vs “Russia is trying to take over Ukraine…”

Ukraine clearly prefers the west.

[Specialka]

And none of this has anything to do with Russia vis-a-vis their invasion of Ukraine.

It has everything to do with this invasion.

[Veggie50]

The impression I have is that this "pro-Ukraine bias in western media" is not actually "pro-ukrainians", but "pro western control over Ukraine" (some mass privatizations have been happening there, from what I know). Not sure if this is a good thing for them. But discussing this on MMO-twitter is porbably not worth the time.



smart boy, you are almost there.

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It’s downright formulaic…

[Ulmita]

Please do, if your intention is to divert the discussion to whataboutism and to shill for russians doing a genocide in Ukraine, which this topic is about. If you can't connect the dots that have proven thousand times over that russians are acting like nazis, not good guys, then you could as well find an echo chamber that fits your propaganda.

We knew exactly what would happen to Ukraine if we tried to stir things there too. It has been made public by various Russian and western officials throughout the years. We knew that Ukraine was their red line.

Yes it's Russia's fault for invading, but west is equally guilty. This war wasn't "unprovoked" as the western and nato officials are saying. Basically wherever west goes, chaos erupts at some point.

Also Russians dude are not acting like Nazis but rather very constraint in this war. They could raise cities to the ground if they wanted it to but they dont.

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It’s downright formulaic…

https://www.militaire.gr/ta-korakia-...-tin-oykrania/

Use google translate.

[Odinfrost]

We knew exactly what would happen to Ukraine if we tried to stir things there too. It has been made public by various Russian and western officials throughout the years. We knew that Ukraine was their red line.

Yes it's Russia's fault for invading, but west is equally guilty. This war wasn't "unprovoked" as the western and nato officials are saying. Basically wherever west goes, chaos erupts at some point.

Also Russians dude are not acting like Nazis but rather very constraint in this war. They could raise cities to the ground if they wanted it to but they dont.

1) You do know that the nazi's didn’t raze cities, right?
That was the soviet tactic.
2) No, this is all Russia. They talk about how NATO is aggressing towards them, but every NATO measure is because Russia was doing shit that wanted the border countries like Poland to get more defenses.
Zelensky didn’t like NATO. Guy literally made a video about him entering their headquarters, pull out 2 Uzis and gun down every member inside. BUT THEN RUSSIA STARTED SHIT WHICH MADE HIM CHANGE HIS MIND!
Sweden and Finland were fine not being part of NATO. BUT THEN RUSSIA STARTED SHIT SO THEY JOINED NATO!
NATO gets closer to Russia because Russia gives countries a reason to want more NATO defenses.
And Ukraine is a really good example of why the countries takes Russia's movements serious. Because they have no idea whether Russia is flexing or trying something.
And funnily enough, with Ukraine, we knew for ages they were planning something, and NATO did NOTHING! Like they're actually staying true to be a defensive pact or something.
Strange, isn't it?

[DarkTZeratul]

We knew exactly what would happen to Ukraine if we tried to stir things there too. It has been made public by various Russian and western officials throughout the years. We knew that Ukraine was their red line.

What Ukraine does is Ukraine's business. Russia does not get to have a "red line" about Ukraine's actions, because Ukraine is a sovereign nation whose affairs Russia has absolutely no say in.

Yes it's Russia's fault for invading, but west is equally guilty.

No, they aren't, because Ukraine is a sovereign nation that can make its own geopolitical alliances and if Russia doesn't like it they can pound sand.

This war wasn't "unprovoked" as the western and nato officials are saying.

Yes, it was, and this line of thinking makes absolutely no sense if you think about it for even a moment. The idea is that "the west" somehow provoked Russia into invading Ukraine by doing... What, exactly? Being friendly with Ukraine? Because lest you forget, they didn't force themselves upon Ukraine. Ukraine asked to join NATO, and was actually told that no. Among the reasons for that decision was that Ukraine was still embroiled in open conflict with Russia, who invaded Ukraine in 2014 when they took Crimea.

Also Russians dude are not acting like Nazis but rather very constraint in this war. They could raise cities to the ground if they wanted it to but they dont.

Okay, now I know you're just uncritically parroting Russian propaganda, because A) no they fucking haven't been constrained, Jesus fucking Christ there is an entire Wikipedia page on the war crimes they've committed, from abducting Ukrainian children to torturing and mutilating Ukrainian captives to the wholesale massacre of civilians in Bucha and Izium to targeting hospitals nuclear plants to just an absolute metric fuckton of rape; and B) no they fucking can't raze cities to the ground if they wanted to, because if they could they would have done so already, and are you seriously so dumb you think they're throwing Cold War-era armaments at Ukraine because they're just so decent and honorable they don't want to use the good shit?