Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Muzjhath]

Going for devil's advocate: "and she still went into a dangerous zone perfectly knowing there was bad guys going around". => ergo, she is a victim, those guys are guilty but she is still stupid for doing so.

And that shouldn't fucking matter.
Anyone who says that is almost as bad as the rapists in my book.

[zealo]

You do you do but do not complain when China will invade Taïwan.

Taiwan has de facto been an independent country from the China on the mainland since 1949.

That they have trouble coming to terms with that would not absolve them of guilt if they decide to invade over 70 years later.

[Specialka]

Taiwan has de facto been an independent country from the China on the mainland since 1949.

That they have trouble coming to terms with that would not absolve them of guilt if they decide to invade over 70 years later.

I do not think they care about being "guilty", just saying.

[Karreck]

And I already asked an admin for account deletion. I'll be leaving this madhouse soon.

You have the ability to leave and never return. No need for Admins to get involved, you can just leave on your own and trust in your willpower to keep you from coming back. Asking for an account deletion is so over-dramatic and screams "Look at me! Look at me! I'm ever so edgy!"

[Kallisto]

You have the ability to leave and never return. No need for Admins to get involved, you can just leave on your own and trust in your willpower to keep you from coming back. Asking for an account deletion is so over-dramatic and screams "Look at me! Look at me! I'm ever so edgy!"

It's all games so they can come back on another account and be all "Hey I'm totally new, not someone else, honest." and push the same agenda.

[Xyonai]

It's all games so they can come back on another account and be all "Hey I'm totally new, not someone else, honest." and push the same agenda.

Considering they more or less have the exact same name as a different poster who, after getting dogpiled on for their shitty opinions in the Floyd Protest thread, also threatened to delete their account and never return I think you're on the money.

[Corvus]

Ukraine has converted their high speed naval drones to be able to launch a salvo of rockets so they aren't reliant on just kamikaze attacks.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/17...119424360?s=20

[Kallisto]

Considering they more or less have the exact same name as a different poster who, after getting dogpiled on for their shitty opinions in the Floyd Protest thread, also threatened to delete their account and never return I think you're on the money.

I've modded other forums, it always happens.

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Ukraine has converted their high speed naval drones to be able to launch a salvo of rockets so they aren't reliant on just kamikaze attacks.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/17...119424360?s=20

That's some great innovation there.

[Corvus]

Wonder if they are working on converting them into carriers for flying kamikaze drones, with the sea drones operating at relay stations.

[Iphie]

That's some great innovation there.

Funny thing, during the soviet era a lot of innovation came from Ukraine SSR, so they're basically just continuing what they did and a lot of that expertise left russia obviously. (same apparently with the maintenance of nukes which was supposedly done by Ukraine.)

[zealo]

I do not think they care about being "guilty", just saying.

And just like with Russia now, that they don’t care is utterly irrelevant to whether the western world would be in the wrong for helping the taiwanese keep their independence if China attacks.

[PosPosPos]

I do not think they care about being "guilty", just saying.

Exactly, so why do you bother to engage in apologism and try and justify their heinous acts?

You are so close to getting it too.

[Specialka]

Exactly, so why do you bother to engage in apologism and try and justify their heinous acts?

You are so close to getting it too.

It is fine if you want to live in your fantasy world. Just hoping that one day you will grow up enough to understand that is not how the world works.

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And just like with Russia now, that they don’t care is utterly irrelevant to whether the western world would be in the wrong for helping the taiwanese keep their independence if China attacks.

What is your point ?

[diller]

It is just that as usual, it is extremely blurry and messy while the victims here are mostly the Ukrainians while everyone else has interests in having this war on their territory.

It really wasn't, Ukraine was NOT a candidate for NATO or the EU before the war - don't try to push an agenda that it's those organizations fault.

(Yes Ukraine did ask to be considered for EU but they were told they needed to fix several things before that could be an option)

[Specialka]

It really wasn't, Ukraine was NOT a candidate for NATO or the EU before the war - don't try to push an agenda that it's those organizations fault.

(Yes Ukraine did ask to be considered for EU but they were told they needed to fix several things before that could be an option)

NATO being mostly controlled by the USA, I could say that the USA had an interest in having this war in Ukraine. They totally baited Russia into that. With China, they are the winner of this war, whoever win on the battlefield.

[Calfredd]

NATO being mostly controlled by the USA, I could say that the USA had an interest in having this war in Ukraine. They totally baited Russia into that. With China, they are the winner of this war, whoever win on the battlefield.

Who cares what Russia thinks when it's an easily proven lie.

[PosPosPos]

It is fine if you want to live in your fantasy world. Just hoping that one day you will grow up enough to understand that is not how the world works.

You are talking about yourself, yes? The only one who's engaging in self-serving arguments so far, is in fact you.

You tried to justify Russia's invasion, and when you inevitably failed you tried to claim Russia would invade Ukraine anyway just because they could. So again, why did you bother to shill for Russia when by your own admission they don't need any justification to be evil?

I think trying curry favour and kiss ass with an entity that, at best, doesn't give two craps about your existence, is the epitome of living in a fantasy world. But you do you if you truly believe otherwise.

[Karreck]

It's all games so they can come back on another account and be all "Hey I'm totally new, not someone else, honest." and push the same agenda.

Pretty much. It's all a bad shell game.

Man, look at your own post here. Why don't you do your analysis on your own post? Do you think it was necessary? Do you think this was the right place? No one asked it, I didn't ask it. I couldn't care less about that opinion. Not because I don't like you, don't get me wrong here. But because I didn't even know you existed until now, lol. (Obviously, now that we had a contact, I know you exist and cared enough to respond hehe)
And I already know what I need to know, I did my research. It takes a few seconds for account deletion, if you request. No harm done.
Still, you felt like you should post it. Why?...

I guess because you just felt like you should, right? You felt like you should express yourself here. And that's the beauty and probably the main purpose of forums like this, right?

So, if you wonder why people say what they say when they are leaving, I think the answer is in your own post: they feel like they should, just like you felt you should. It might be a public protest, a public criticism. Like the public criticism you just did here.
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Now I'll take a part of your post to focus on another aspect here: How do you know I can "trust in my willpower"? What if I can't? How can you be so sure about something you have no idea? You have no idea what's on the other side of the screen, right? Usually, we all have no idea. So, why presume? Why do people presume so much? Some weird presumptions.

And I think I understood what you were trying to say. But I'm taking it as an illustrative example. I think these (perhaps excessive) presumptions are what have been degenerating the experience in spaces like this.

Think about Twitter.
In Twitter, it works like this: You say "I don't like water". Someone will respond "oh, so you don't like beaches? But don't you care about turtles?", and then it goes "and the dolphins? I just can't believe you want the dolphins to suffer", "What a horrible person", <some name calling>, "that person is defending the genocide of humans, dolphins and turtles, because they all need water to live", "I saw him killing a dolphin in high school", ...

You get the idea. Maybe some commercial reason is pushing towards that, more clicks, more money. Maybe not. But it can get tiring to have discussions in places like this. It's often not worth it.

Just look at what followed your post. No one questioned, focused, or tried to understand a single word I wrote. But it seems there is already an entire Netflix season going on there.

Maybe I'm getting old. Maybe social media will evolve into some sort of art of Divination. No more talking, we just use our crystal balls. Anyways, if you want to keep talking, we can go to another place while this thing is still active.

Again, if you really do hate it here so much, you can always just leave and not come back. No need to be such a drama queen begging for an account deletion.
Please keep all future replies succinct. You and tehdang need to learn the art of brevity.

[Specialka]

You are talking about yourself, yes? The only one who's engaging in self-serving arguments so far, is in fact you.

You tried to justify Russia's invasion, and when you inevitably failed you tried to claim Russia would invade Ukraine anyway just because they could. So again, why did you bother to shill for Russia when by your own admission they don't need any justification to be evil?

I think trying curry favour and kiss ass with an entity that, at best, doesn't give two craps about your existence, is the epitome of living in a fantasy world. But you do you if you truly believe otherwise.

Cute, more projection.

Country does stuff because or they think they can and sometimes fails like Russia in Ukraine. But a country does not behave like an individual. It is extremely childish to believe that.

[PosPosPos]

Country does stuff because or they think they can and sometimes fails like Russia in Ukraine. But a country does not behave like an individual. It is extremely childish to believe that.

So you are saying you can't make up your mind whether Russia was justified or not, and that doesn't stop you from being their sycophant.

That's all I really wanted to know, thanks.

Cute, more projection.

Again, this bad habit of yours where you talk to yourself in public rather than in front of a mirror.