Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

I presume the threads been broken because a prolific poster deleted their account causing the page numbers to shift, but this thread hasn’t been updated enough for the forum to work its way through figuring out the post discrepancy


At any rate, Russia is one again left in their no-win scenario vis-a-vis the optics of this fire. Do they 1) say the Ukrainians did it, meaning that Ukraine can project force into Russia, 2) claim it was anti-war sentiments in Russia, admitting that not everybody in Russia is in lock-step about this, or 3) say it was an accident, adding on to a long list of Russian incompetence.

4) deny there were any significant damaged and the warehouse returned to port under its own power

[Kaleredar]

4) deny there were any significant damaged and the warehouse returned to port under its own power

…while every article on the internet shows numerous pictures in which it is in fact a smoldering ruin, of course

[Iphie]

4) deny there were any significant damaged and the warehouse returned to port under its own power

Gonna be hard, 300 fire fighters isn't some dumpster fire, and 70000 m^2 is A LOT. Let's not forget this wasn't in a backwater, this was in St Petersburg.

[Gabriel]

Gonna be hard, 300 fire fighters isn't some dumpster fire, and 70000 m^2 is A LOT. Let's not forget this wasn't in a backwater, this was in St Petersburg.

It doesn't matter. When the Russians lie, it isn't about convincing anyone. It's about challenging everyone else to do something about it. The bigger the lie you can get away with, the higher your place is in the dominance hierarchy.

[KrayZ33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdWmBDkAMs
(only video I found that's only focusing on these 2 minutes)

watching this was pretty intense, 2(well, basically 1) Bradley vs 1 T-90M (lots of Bradley fire on the upper part of the screen as well)
In my opinion it shows how important these vehicles and our support are.
And kudos to them actually beating a T-90M with that thing, they were clearly in a dangerous position there but did some pretty good shooting and didn't overstay. In my opinion, the Bradley would've been gone if it were hit once.

Seeing videos and situation like these make me even more sad about the fact that we are still just "trickling in" support, we should do so much more, but since we wasted so much time already... I don't know.

Judging from the explosions/hits, the Bradley (the one that re-engaged) used Explosive - then anti-tank - then explosives again.
I wonder if there is a reason for that, or if they simply ran out of anit-tank rounds?

[Corvus]

That is some big fire. Some other photos show absolutely massive clouds of what must be fairly toxic smoke blanketing St Petersburg.

The place was the distribution warehouse for russia's equivalent of Amazon. A couple of days before the authorities turned up looking for migrants to forcefully send to the front. Could be related. We know that they are forcing migrants to the front, as some of the ones they tried to weaponise at the borers have started turning up as pows.

Oh, and the place reportedly shipped 750,000 items a day. Not anymore. That is going to have economic implications.

[Gabriel]

For a moment I thought it was the Admiral Kuznetsov firing up its engines.

[Iphie]

It doesn't matter. When the Russians lie, it isn't about convincing anyone. It's about challenging everyone else to do something about it. The bigger the lie you can get away with, the higher your place is in the dominance hierarchy.

For a moment I thought it was the Admiral Kuznetsov firing up its engines.

I know you say it doesn't matter what they know, it's how big a lie they can get away with, but I don't think they can get away with this. I mean there's just not pursuing the truth and then there's actively denying reality as you choke on it...

[Gabriel]

I know you say it doesn't matter what they know, it's how big a lie they can get away with, but I don't think they can get away with this. I mean there's just not pursuing the truth and then there's actively denying reality as you choke on it...

This is what I've been saying for years now, but most of us Westerners just don't get it.

Perhaps I didn't do good enough job explaining it, but the "getting away" part doesn't mean that there is plausible enough explanation that the common people will accept it. Putin could shoot someone on live television, put the gun down, turn to the camera, and say that the person they just shot killed themselves, and unless someone challenges him directly, then that is the truth.

[Kaleredar]

I know you say it doesn't matter what they know, it's how big a lie they can get away with, but I don't think they can get away with this. I mean there's just not pursuing the truth and then there's actively denying reality as you choke on it...

Well I'm sure they'll come up with some excuse. What matters- I suppose- is whether the people, especially in St. Petersburg, actually believe it.

A couple more of these buildings go up, and I think that number starts to go down real fast. Especially if Ukraine/dissident groups/whomever start taking credit for it. You can only say that Vodka Drunkenski drove the forklift into the "all explosive barrels" shipping aisle so many times before people start to think that maybe it's not just gross negligence but an exterior force attacking them for Russia's continued attacks on Ukraine.

[Gabriel]

Well I'm sure they'll come up with some excuse. What matters- I suppose- is whether the people, especially in St. Petersburg, actually believe it.

A couple more of these buildings go up, and I think that number starts to go down real fast. Especially if Ukraine/dissident groups/whomever start taking credit for it. You can only say that Vodka Drunkenski drove the forklift into the "all explosive barrels" shipping aisle so many times before people start to think that maybe it's not just gross negligence but an exterior force attacking them for Russia's continued attacks on Ukraine.

They know. They just don't want to do anything about it.

This warehouse went up in flames only because majority of the workers are poor immigrants who've not been subjected to the same eugenics program to weed out potential political dissidents that the general Russian population has been.

[Iphie]

They know. They just don't want to do anything about it.

This warehouse went up in flames only because majority of the workers are poor immigrants who've not been subjected to the same eugenics program to weed out potential political dissidents that the general Russian population has been.

Eugenics generally aims to "improve", now we all know that's s load of bollocks, but these russians have done their best to destroy any intelligence and defiance since time immemorial haven't they? I mean Imperial Russia was bad, Sovjet Union was crap, the russian federation is disastrous and out of these three I'd almost argue that Imperial Russia had the best chance of becoming a level headed, well adjusted nation if Nicolai II wasn't such a pigheaded boor. (IIRC Alexander III was decent as were I and II.)

[Poopymonster]

Eugenics generally aims to "improve", now we all know that's s load of bollocks, but these russians have done their best to destroy any intelligence and defiance since time immemorial haven't they? I mean Imperial Russia was bad, Sovjet Union was crap, the russian federation is disastrous and out of these three I'd almost argue that Imperial Russia had the best chance of becoming a level headed, well adjusted nation if Nicolai II wasn't such a pigheaded boor. (IIRC Alexander III was decent as were I and II.)

"Improve" is subjective, ask anyone who has gotten a new directive from their corporate overlords.
They keep "improving" them to breed them stupid, docile, and pliant.
Perfect to live under a dictator.

[Warning]

Moscow and St Petersburg are signs of Russia straining and rising disgruntlement. We need a new large commitment of deliveries of 155mm as well as more long range missiles such as Taurus and ATACMS. Not this half baked "we'll send 15". No, we should be sending 200 ATACMS/Taurus and arranging the delivery of 8 million+ 155mm shells for the coming year. Put the boot down on Russia's neck and end all aspirations once and for all. Otherwise we're going to keep seeing disinformation campaigns and acts of terror against allies. I would suggest a NATO package, in which all members contribute equally based on GDP to help silence criticism.

[Iphie]

Moscow and St Petersburg are signs of Russia straining and rising disgruntlement. We need a new large commitment of deliveries of 155mm as well as more long range missiles such as Taurus and ATACMS. Not this half baked "we'll send 15". No, we should be sending 200 ATACMS/Taurus and arranging the delivery of 8 million+ 155mm shells for the coming year. Put the boot down on Russia's neck and end all aspirations once and for all. Otherwise we're going to keep seeing disinformation campaigns and acts of terror against allies. I would suggest a NATO package, in which all members contribute equally based on GDP to help silence criticism.

Sweden just ordered more shells for themselves and for Ukraine.

Sweden is also thinking of Gripen fighters for Ukraine according to that article.


Chatter about a crashed/damaged russian AWACS around the Sea of Azov...(and apparently an Il-22 fell out of the sky as well around the same area...)

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Deus Mortis]

More images of the fire.

[Corvus]

The second image, yeah that is a fire you can not miss. And given all the cheap Chinese made plastic items that would have gone up in flames, rather toxic too I would imagine.

The exact cause may never come to light as russians are going to russia and are throwing out many alternative theories to muddy the whole thing. There is talk of rival ethnic clashes going on between workers, of fire alarms and security cameras having been turned off, an even that it had been built without permission. Which is amusing given the size of the place and the owner is a pootie crony.

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If Ukraine has managed to take down a very rare, irreplaceable A-50 AWACs and damage an airborne command Il-22 well behind the lines, that is a big blow that will really cause problems.

[Iphie]

If Ukraine has managed to take down a very rare, irreplaceable A-50 AWACs and damage an airborne command Il-22 well behind the lines, that is a big blow that will really cause problems.

As they say rumours are rumours, but everyone is asking: HOW!?

Like seriously what could have done this that the Ukrainians have, and how the hell did it make a mockery of russian air defenses.

[Corvus]

russia sources seem to be indicating that something did happen to the Il-22M and that it landed safely, if damaged, and that it was a friendly-fire incident. Again.

[Kaleredar]

russia sources seem to be indicating that something did happen to the Il-22M and that it landed safely, if damaged, and that it was a friendly-fire incident. Again.

So we’re to take that to mean, if my “Russian bullshit to reality” translator is to believed, that it was blasted to complete ruin, no?