Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

russia sources seem to be indicating that something did happen to the Il-22M and that it landed safely, if damaged, and that it was a friendly-fire incident. Again.

[Kaleredar]

russia sources seem to be indicating that something did happen to the Il-22M and that it landed safely, if damaged, and that it was a friendly-fire incident. Again.

So we’re to take that to mean, if my “Russian bullshit to reality” translator is to believed, that it was blasted to complete ruin, no?

[prwraith]

Massive fire in russia and irreplaceable planes downed? Christmas isn't for another 11 months

[Corvus]

The fighterbomber channel admits a large scale tragedy took place without going into details, but mentions pilots plural killed, with other crew wounded.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...77974475477233

[Iphie]

Pilots, planes, none of those are easily replaced and planes will only get worse. Both civilian and military. Аерофлот will be the death trap it used to be again.

In any case, this is, once again, a PR disaster as well, What happened?:
-The Ukrainians? How?
-Incompetence? Well that's great...
-sabotage? Same deal that's not that great.
-shoddy maintenance? So those sanctions ARE working?
-Corruption? Hey! that's the best option!

[Corvus]

russian sources were kind enough to release a photo of the tail section of the IL-22M.



She got shredded.

[Iphie]

Needs just some new paint really. So what I hear the Il-22 survived, albeit in abyssmal shape, and the the A-50 did a Moskva impression after meeting with some nasty objects. Oh and CLEARLY this was friendly fire according to the russian blogosphere...Which falls under incompetence.

[Flarelaine]

Eugenics generally aims to "improve", now we all know that's s load of bollocks, but these russians have done their best to destroy any intelligence and defiance since time immemorial haven't they? I mean Imperial Russia was bad, Sovjet Union was crap, the russian federation is disastrous and out of these three I'd almost argue that Imperial Russia had the best chance of becoming a level headed, well adjusted nation if Nicolai II wasn't such a pigheaded boor. (IIRC Alexander III was decent as were I and II.)

Alexander II was an actual refomer by Russian standards. He liberated serfs, liberated Bulgaria (he is still a hero there) and was working to set up a legislative assembly of some sort, not one with much actual power, but still, it would have been a huge leap forward. (He is also credited with planning the Moscow-St. Petersburg railway by placing a ruler on the map and drawing a straight line.) Then he got blown up by terrorists and his son said "OK, now you can shove it".

[caervek]

Like seriously what could have done this that the Ukrainians have, and how the hell did it make a mockery of russian air defenses.

I've just looked online at a map of where the A-50 was when it got hit, and it's well within range for an S-200 or S-300 fired from inside Ukrainian held territory.

The impact location was ~130KM from the frontline, an S-200 can kill a target of that size from over 300KM away (it's not a guaranteed kill as it's on the limits of fuel but it can and has been done) so I would assume an S-300 can too.

Given that Ukraine has a stockpile of S-200 missiles they aren't using (they've been converting them to surface to surface missiles) they may have just said "Well the only thing flying over the sea will be Russian, lets fling a couple of these 60 year old boys that direction and see if they find anything".

[Deus Mortis]

russian sources were kind enough to release a photo of the tail section of the IL-22M.



She got shredded.

Nothing that a little flex tape can't fix.

[Kaleredar]

Nothing that a little flex tape can't fix.

With the imports cut off they can only afford Russian flex tape, though.

[Fantomen]

Sweden is also thinking of Gripen fighters for Ukraine according to that article.

Swedens official postion is that Sweden will not send Gripen to Ukriane. But use a creative way to say it, so translated in spirit "we have no intent to send Gripen to Ukriane at this moment" Sweden have also started to train Ukrainian fighter pilots on Gripen.

So then the Ukrainian pilots and mecahics are ready, Sweden can say "at this time we have intent to send Gripen to Ukraine.

[Forogil]

Swedens official postion is that Sweden will not send Gripen to Ukriane. But use a creative way to say it, so translated in spirit "we have no intent to send Gripen to Ukriane at this moment" Sweden have also started to train Ukrainian fighter pilots on Gripen.

So then the Ukrainian pilots and mecahics are ready, Sweden can say "at this time we have intent to send Gripen to Ukraine.

I would believe that the decision is also be dependent on Sweden joining NATO.

[Iphie]

I would believe that the decision is also be dependent on Sweden joining NATO.

Yeah, what is the status on that? Turkey said yes, right? But Hungary is being a bitch?

[Wilian]

Yeah, what is the status on that? Turkey said yes, right? But Hungary is being a bitch?

Turkey is expected to ratify very soon but Hungary is Russian cuckold and will block it for foreseaable future.

[zealo]

Yeah, what is the status on that? Turkey said yes, right? But Hungary is being a bitch?

The turks put that on the schedule for their parliament pretty much immediately after their MPs returned from recess just recently.

They'll likely get that part done relatively soon, but even after Erdogan could delay actually signing it and depositing the ratification with Washington, it's up in the air still how much of a watermelon seller Erdogan wants to behave like id say.

[Voidism]

The turks put that on the schedule for their parliament pretty much immediately after their MPs returned from recess just recently.

They'll likely get that part done relatively soon, but even after Erdogan could delay actually signing it and depositing the ratification with Washington, it's up in the air still how much of a watermelon seller Erdogan wants to behave like id say.

Yeah, I have kinda given up. We should just get nukes or something lol

[Iphie]

Yeah, I have kinda given up. We should just get nukes or something lol

You were 6 months away from having the bomb in 1965


Nuclear armed Sweden, sounds like a dystopia tbh.

[Voidism]

You were 6 months away from having the bomb in 1965


Nuclear armed Sweden, sounds like a dystopia tbh.

Well, the alternative to NATO is the bomb and heavily increase defense spending.

[Iphie]

So, what's going on in Bashkortostan? Rosgvardia is called in and thousands are protesting? I hear Telegram got blocked there as well.

Anything to worry about or just another nothing burger? (I suppose the latter is more likely)