Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

The West is seen as morally decadent in Russia. They simply do not have the same values overall. That issue is rather complex.

Seeing as the majority of Russian civilians seem to be wholly supportive of their country invading a neighboring sovereign nation under entirely fabricated pretenses whilst all the time crying that the world is being mean to them and that Russia is the real victim, what the average Russian thinks or believe is or isn't right doesn't seem to be worth very much.

[Specialka]

Seeing as the majority of Russian civilians seem to be wholly supportive of their country invading a neighboring sovereign nation under entirely fabricated pretenses whilst all the time crying that the world is being mean to them and that Russia is the real victim, what the average Russian thinks or believe is or isn't right doesn't seem to be worth very much.

Which is not the point here. And honestly does not add anything to the subject at hand.

I am not sure we can "ignore" the beliefs or whatever of a good portion of 143 millions people.

[Kaleredar]

Which is not the point here. And honestly does not add anything to the subject at hand.

Then why do you see fit to bring it up as some sort of "explanation?"

[Elder Millennial]

The West is seen as morally decadent in Russia. They simply do not have the same values overall. That issue is rather complex.

They might see the West as decadent or weak, somehow, but the Russian's sense of moral superiority is basically ..."We are Russians".

Every moral accusation is a confession. The Russians are less religious, less traditional, more into every vice from drugs and booze, more sexualized, more likely to have abortions etc etc etc.

This "moral" superiority is not "moral" ...it's just rabid nationalism disguised as "morality".

[Corvus]

The latest suggestion from a 'morally superior' Russian politician to solve their demographics crisis was to tell men to rape their wives until they get pregnant.

[Iphie]

Harsh. Bit authoritarian, but hey that's what Hungary desires apparently. (Also the usual caveat: until it's out in the world via big newsoutlets it's questionable.)

[postman1782]

Reality is not that simple. Putin is supported by most of the russian people because he lacks competition (they mostly end up dead or in prison) and he is opposed to the West which is seen as weak and decadent.

So, you said the same thing I said, with more words.

[Gabriel]

I am not sure we can "ignore" the beliefs or whatever of a good portion of 143 millions people.

Yeah? Want to bet?

[Kaleredar]

I am not sure we can "ignore" the beliefs or whatever of a good portion of 143 millions people.

Their beliefs are wrong.

It's not up to the rest of the world to educate or understand Russia. They can educate themselves about where the cards fall vis-a-vis their "superiority." Because right now it's clearly quite the delusion.

[diller]

Harsh. Bit authoritarian, but hey that's what Hungary desires apparently. (Also the usual caveat: until it's out in the world via big newsoutlets it's questionable.)

Absolutely fair - if it was possible they would have been kicked out of the EU by now - these kinds of things are the only sanctions the EU has to deal with them.

[Mayhem]

Harsh. Bit authoritarian, but hey that's what Hungary desires apparently. (Also the usual caveat: until it's out in the world via big newsoutlets it's questionable.)

Bit authoritarian? what? Should the other member states just constantly take it? Nope, if Hungary wants to play like they do then they have to live with the consequences.

[Specialka]

So, you said the same thing I said, with more words.

Yours was just a snappy comment with no context at all adding zero value to the thread (as usual).

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Yeah? Want to bet?

Guess you will say the same about the 1.5 billion chineses when China will invade Taiwan ?

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Their beliefs are wrong.

It's not up to the rest of the world to educate or understand Russia. They can educate themselves about where the cards fall vis-a-vis their "superiority." Because right now it's clearly quite the delusion.

You do realize that it is not only Russia that is like that but basically 3/4 of the known world ? The West with its values is the minority here.

[Mayhem]

Yours was just a snappy comment with no context at all adding zero value to the thread (as usual).

love the unfounded confidence, self awareness defeated by Specialka in a single swift attack, well done

Guess you will say the same about the 1.5 billion chineses when China will invade Taiwan ?

sure, if the 1.5 billion Chineses are behind their government invading Taiwan

You do realize that it is not only Russia that is like that but basically 3/4 of the known world ? The West with its values is the minority here.

If that was true, we'd have way less international cooperation and way more wars between neighboring countries, but don't let reality get in the way of your argument

[Edge-]

You do realize that it is not only Russia that is like that but basically 3/4 of the known world ? The West with its values is the minority here.

Wait isn't the world sanctioning Russia to shit minus a few nations like South Africa (lol) and India who are just happy for the cheap as shit crude?

Wouldn't Russia like, not be getting economically pummeled by the international community and major international companies fleeing the nation if they were in this position of such strength?

[Elenos]

Wait isn't the world sanctioning Russia to shit minus a few nations like South Africa (lol) and India who are just happy for the cheap as shit crude?

Virtually all of Asia, Africa and South America are not sanctioning Russia. It's basically US, Europe, Taiwan, Australia, New Zeeland, Japan, South Korea.

[zealo]

The West is seen as morally decadent in Russia. They simply do not have the same values overall. That issue is rather complex.

Unlike what certain corners believe, minorities having rights does not make a country weaker.

An artillery shell does not care whether the operator of the gun it got fired out of or whether the one who made it is gay, it’ll kill and maim all the same, nor is a man’s sexual preferences relevant to his competency otherwise.

[Specialka]

Wait isn't the world sanctioning Russia to shit minus a few nations like South Africa (lol) and India who are just happy for the cheap as shit crude?

Wouldn't Russia like, not be getting economically pummeled by the international community and major international companies fleeing the nation if they were in this position of such strength?

You can live in denial all you want, but basically only the West put sanctions on Russia. All the rest is all too happy to see this shitshow.

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Unlike what certain corners believe, minorities having rights does not make a country weaker.

An artillery shell does not care whether the operator of the gun it got fired out of or whether the one who made it is gay, it’ll kill and maim all the same, nor is a man’s sexual preferences relevant to his competency otherwise.

Not saying they are right or wrong about their beliefs, just that they differ from ours (like most of the world outside the West).

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love the unfounded confidence, self awareness defeated by Specialka in a single swift attack, well done



sure, if the 1.5 billion Chineses are behind their government invading Taiwan



If that was true, we'd have way less international cooperation and way more wars between neighboring countries, but don't let reality get in the way of your argument

Because there is not enough conflicts already around the world ? Ukraine/Russia, Gaza/Israel, Armenia/Azerbaidjan, China/Taiwan, Pakistan/India (just for the most known conflicts) but yeah sure, do not let reality get in your way

[Mayhem]

Because there is not enough conflicts already around the world ? Ukraine/Russia, Gaza/Israel, Armenia/Azerbaidjan, China/Taiwan, Pakistan/India (just for the most known conflicts) but yeah sure, do not let reality get in your way

So from the 5 you were able to come up with, one is an actual war that fits your argument, two are ongoing disputes that are minor conflicts, or border disputes, one isn't even a war and one is somehow a war between a country, and it's occupied territory. Over all, the combined fatalities caused by these conflicts from around the world that show 3/4's of the world think like Russians is less than the number of deaths caused by strokes in the US.

I wasn't expecting much from you, because as per usual you can't just take the L you have to at least get a second one.

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Wait isn't the world sanctioning Russia to shit minus a few nations like South Africa (lol) and India who are just happy for the cheap as shit crude?

Wouldn't Russia like, not be getting economically pummeled by the international community and major international companies fleeing the nation if they were in this position of such strength?

Pretty much every region that was a major importer of Russian exports sanctioned them, the regions that didn't import from Russia also didn't place sanctions because why.

Sure, one can argue only the west sanctioned Russia, but the west was also pretty much the only ones importing from Russia, so yeah. Here's a picture from 2021 showing exports destination countries

[Specialka]

So from the 5 you were able to come up with, one is an actual war that fits your argument, two are ongoing disputes that are minor conflicts, or border disputes, one isn't even a war and one is somehow a war between a country, and it's occupied territory. Over all, the combined fatalities caused by these conflicts from around the world that show 3/4's of the world think like Russians is less than the number of deaths caused by strokes in the US.

I wasn't expecting much from you, because as per usual you can't just take the L you have to at least get a second one.

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Pretty much every region that was a major importer of Russian exports sanctioned them, the regions that didn't import from Russia also didn't place sanctions because why.

Sure, one can argue only the west sanctioned Russia, but the west was also pretty much the only ones importing from Russia, so yeah. Here's a picture from 2021 showing exports destination countries

Denial is strong in this one, can't dispute that.

Economical sanctions are not the only thing we should look at. Basically, only the West did say that invading was "bad", most others countries either does not care (or even cheer for Russia) or blame Ukraine for being invaded.

[Mayhem]

Denial is strong in this one, can't dispute that.

Economical sanctions are not the only thing we should look at. Basically, only the West did say that invading was "bad", most others countries either does not care (or even cheer for Russia) or blame Ukraine for being invaded.

Sure, sure, and are these most countries currently in the room with you?

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