Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Makabreska]

2% is a necessary goal. That spending does not necessarily mean they should invest it directly in standing forces they have. Lets take your Luxemburg for example, they could spend that 1 billion on building industry for shell production or in terms of NATO, build an European logistic network consisting of heavy trucks, trains and planes of military usage because currently Europe is far too reliant on US to haul around it's forces and the necessary supplies on a scale that full-scale war would require.

This is probably the only thing I can say Trump is right about. Some countries went really complacent with funding and modernising their armies. They thought they will never really need them, but then Putin happened.

[Easo]

I know you refuse to see it but there's a difference of dynamic in play. One is a defender against brutal colonial aggressor. Another is brutal colonial aggressor unified under symbol used to radicalize people.

Anything of your words that has to do with photoshopped crap?

[Iphie]

2% is a necessary goal. That spending does not necessarily mean they should invest it directly in standing forces they have. Lets take your Luxemburg for example, they could spend that 1 billion on building industry for shell production or in terms of NATO, build an European logistic network consisting of heavy trucks, trains and planes of military usage because currently Europe is far too reliant on US to haul around it's forces and the necessary supplies on a scale that full-scale war would require.

The 2% is a guideline, lest we forget, however I would LOVE, absolutely LOOOOOOVE, can't tell you HOW MUCH I WOULD LOVE IT!! if Europe would pull it's collective fingers out of it's ass and integrated their armies into one single army, and create a single logistics network. (as well as an European Federation/unified European nation, but that's probably a pipedream)

[Saradain]

As opposed to all the other war memorabilia sold by both (and not only) sides? And, well, for whatever reason this thing cannot be found on Avito. Image search links to Ukrainian TG channels. Seems clear that this is a fake, as are so many other things in this war.

Care to elaborate or afraid of the red card for conspiracy theories/trolling?

[Easo]

Care to elaborate or afraid of the red card for conspiracy theories/trolling?

Why would or should I? You clearly do not want to hear anything from me, so why waste both of our time? Last couple of weeks have basically zero discussion regarding the actual war anyway, why change that...

[Saradain]

Why would or should I? You clearly do not want to hear anything from me, so why waste both of our time? Last couple of weeks have basically zero discussion regarding the actual war anyway, why change that...

Alrighty then, you could have chosen to actually have a discussion here and to have a chance to prove your viewpoint can be something else than propaganda but it is clear you come here to say vague things without agreeing to elaborate, so we can conclude it is merely your tinfoil hat daydreaming. If only I had the power to shut down whole russian propaganda system by the merit of my existence and asking them "proof?"...

Russian cohorts are indeed afraid of the truth, their shit can't survive in daylight when further inspected. But hey, hide in your ivory tower and pretend we all here are wrong and you are right.

[Easo]

Alrighty then, you could have chosen to actually have a discussion here and to have a chance to prove your viewpoint can be something else than propaganda but it is clear you come here to say vague things without agreeing to elaborate, so we can conclude it is merely your tinfoil hat daydreaming. If only I had the power to shut down whole russian propaganda system by the merit of my existence and asking them "proof?"...

Russian cohorts are indeed afraid of the truth, their shit can't survive in daylight when further inspected. But hey, hide in your ivory tower and pretend we all here are wrong and you are right.

Ok then, as an example, what would be the reaction here if I posted clear proof of Ukrainian AA hitting their own cities, which contradicts part of the usual spiel about Russians targeting homes? Go on, tell me all about the constructive discussion we could possibly have... Let me give you one of the answers - "It's Russia's fault anyway, why are you even blaming/mentioning Ukraine???!!!!" (btw, I did that way back in 2022 and pretty sure the answer was something about "fake")

Russian cohorts? Any criticism and negative information automatically puts everyone in that camp by what logic, exactly? What's with this black/white worldview?

Some actual news, then - Avdiivka has been cut in half, the southern half has lost it's only real viable supply route.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Ok then, as an example, what would be the reaction here if I posted clear proof of Ukrainian AA hitting their own cities, which contradicts part of the usual spiel about Russians targeting homes?

I don't know. Why don't you post this "clear proof" and we'll all find out together?

[Saradain]

Ok then, as an example, what would be the reaction here if I posted clear proof of Ukrainian AA hitting their own cities, which contradicts part of the usual spiel about Russians targeting homes? Go on, tell me all about the constructive discussion we could possibly have... Let me give you one of the answers - "It's Russia's fault anyway, why are you even blaming/mentioning Ukraine???!!!!" (btw, I did that way back in 2022 and pretty sure the answer was something about "fake")

Russian cohorts? Any criticism and negative information automatically puts everyone in that camp by what logic, exactly? What's with this black/white worldview?

Some actual news, then - Avdiivka has been cut in half, the southern half has lost it's only real viable supply route.

Was the said Ukrainian AA deflected by russian counter-fire? Is the ukrainian city in question under russian occupation? There's plenty of questions to be had instead of clickbait sentences without any context. Russia IS invading, and if they build supply depots et cetera on ukrainian soil, what other choice is there but to target russian military outposts? Or are you implying ukranian citizens are all holed up in said russian depots?

So where is this clear proof, if reputable media outlets do not have this information? You sitting on a proverbial gold pile, but you keep it hidden because of a random poster such as me. What does this tell about you?

If you have this clear proof, just send it to Reuters and then be proud of yourself to contributed to something big. But nah, you keep that "clear proof" because we, lowly pro-Ukrainian posters are not worthy. Or maybe because even some of us can disprove it.

[Dontrike]

Ok then, as an example, what would be the reaction here if I posted clear proof of Ukrainian AA hitting their own cities, which contradicts part of the usual spiel about Russians targeting homes?

And that right there is the primary word, "IF," which you won't, can't, and you won't.

[Elder Millennial]

Ok then.

Mr. Fog of War, remind us again...who is to blame for Bucha again? Was that too Ukrainian AA?

[Corvus]

If it is the incident I think he is referring to, it happened way back at the beginning of the war when the russian air force was still flying over Ukraine and one Ukrainian AA missile hit one Ukrainian building trying to bring down an enemy plane.

But of course we are going to focus on that one incident and not the millions of russian bombs, missiles, rockets and shells that have levelled entire cities.

[Deus Mortis]

If it is the incident I think he is referring to, it happened way back at the beginning of the war when the russian air force was still flying over Ukraine and one Ukrainian AA missile hit one Ukrainian building trying to bring down an enemy plane.

But of course we are going to focus on that one incident and not the millions of russian bombs, missiles, rockets and shells that have levelled entire cities.

I think he is referring to this:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...es-2023-09-19/

KYIV, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Evidence suggests a deadly explosion at a busy market in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kostiantynivka this month was caused by an errant missile fired by Ukraine, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.
Ukraine has said the Sept. 6 blast, which killed at least 16 people, was caused by a Russian missile.
"Evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system," the newspaper reported.

[Azadina]

Russian cohorts? Any criticism and negative information automatically puts everyone in that camp by what logic, exactly? What's with this black/white worldview?

Nah. But what makes one a Russian bootlicker is a pattern found in the following:

Russian attrocities? Fog war, can't be known.
Ukrainian successes? Fog war, can't be known.
Russian successes? Damn straight, that's how it is.
Ukrainian failures? Damn straight, that's how it is.

Does that seem familiar to you? Hint: it should

[Gabriel]

Another Russian ship transferring gorillion Ukrainian POWs was sunk by the dastardly Ukronazis. Luckily the ship managed to return to port under its own power and all crew were unharmed.

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2024-02-14/

Early reporting on the attack on the Russian ship. For not having a navy Ukraine continues to do pretty well against Russian ships.

[Wilian]

Ok then, as an example, what would be the reaction here if I posted clear proof of Ukrainian AA hitting their own cities, which contradicts part of the usual spiel about Russians targeting homes? Go on, tell me all about the constructive discussion we could possibly have... Let me give you one of the answers - "It's Russia's fault anyway, why are you even blaming/mentioning Ukraine???!!!!" (btw, I did that way back in 2022 and pretty sure the answer was something about "fake")

Russian cohorts? Any criticism and negative information automatically puts everyone in that camp by what logic, exactly? What's with this black/white worldview?

Some actual news, then - Avdiivka has been cut in half, the southern half has lost it's only real viable supply route.

Now why would Ukraine be firing AA missiles.. Whatever in the world could cause that......

[Corvus]

Footage from the drones.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...588314719?s=20

Looks like there was no firing on them until after the first one hit and at the end the ship had rolled over.

[Gabriel]

Can't shoot at the drones if you don't have any sober sailors on watch duty.

[Corvus]

So the ship that just got sunk on Feb 14th, it was named for Caesar Kunikov who died on Feb 14th 1943.